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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52608 |
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This is all small potatoes compared to Trexit (no, not Turkey).
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I understand where you're coming from, but isn't this the same as saying democracy doesn't work? (I'm not saying it does, I'm just asking). Also, isn't this saying only the privileged ones should have a say?
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Luca Pacchiarini ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 08 2009 Location: home Status: Offline Points: 530 |
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For years, I've spent my time -our time- projecting our move to the Uk.
I've done my master degree in England (2014-15) and I was looking to go back there in september/october.
The reason why I directly didn't stay there, instead deciding to work for six months in Italy, was that I didn't want to be accused on intellectual dishonesty. There's plenty of mediterranean people that moan about how terrible it is in Italy or Spain despite having never worked there, and just go abroad. I wanted to try first, and then possibly go away. And maybe, some work experience in Italy would have been beneficial for my cv, to find something better once in the Uk..
My girlfriend is a Nigerian citizen with an Italian passport (she came here when she was 6). She couldn't find a job in Italy despite having a degree with great marks because apparently she's too brown for a lot of peoples' taste. So she decided to go and work for a year in Thailand (she does like to work, we don't give a sh*t about getting benefits etc etc). SO we basically waited each other...she would end her year in september, my contract would expire in september, and i the Uk together we'd go.
Far from all the racists, far from Berlusconi and Renzi, far from our families that do not want us to see each other because of the colour of the skin, happy to work for England and pay our taxes there. Now everything is in peril: my industry is tourism, the one that will likely be damaged the most by this horrific outcome. How come is a tour operator/travel agency going to employ an italian/spanish/german/portuguese speaker if international tourism will plummet? (Yes, I speak 5 different languages contrarily to the Sun-reading, ManUnited-supporting fascists that voted leave)
You never had to worry about going to leave in another country, you never did: you soon will have to.
And this dream was obliterated by this band of prostate-farting old retards that yearn for the empire wheraes they will be dead before brexit becomes a reality You killed both our lives and I hope to see the Uk turned into a barren, poverty stricken landscape, I will hate you forever, enjoy your holidays in Blackpool
We're going to Ireland, b*****ds If this means a ban or a warning, I don't care Viva la libertą! There you have my opinion on the Uk referendum Edited by Luca Pacchiarini - June 24 2016 at 09:12 |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13795 |
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^ thanks for that supremely balanced view, Luca.
Can anyone find, and post, a link to a video, or photo failing the vid, to a prostate farting old retard? I will not rest until I get to see one in action ![]() |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Make Britain Great Again
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Phew, so the guy my dad's acquaintance spoke to was hopefully one of those clowns. I'd only add that UKIP started out a far right fringe clown too and then it grew into a monster. Not that I want Swexit but I fear we are entering all-bets-are-off zone now. On a related note, the Oracle of Delphi crawled out of the woodwork to deliver an utterly gloomy prognosis. And...short of using the word that begins with K, he is basically asking for stimulus. Go eat humble pie, free market wrecketeer.
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AZF ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 17 2012 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
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Well I worked all day yesterday at my local Polling Station (Try it! If you don't think you'll like the outcome look into Poll Clerk work, it sweetens the pill!) and I think we had about 7 or 10 people who bought a pen!
Look, after all the results are counted they are put into a sack which can only be opened on the orders of a Judge, so the idea of rubbing out results on an industrial scale are ludicrous! Anyway, some people on my Facebook are inconsolable over this. I wish the EU well, would of been great if we could of worked together better, but this wasn't to be. And should France, Sweden, the Netherlands and Italy decide on their own referendums don't rely on fear! And the irony of the people who used pens yesterday was wasted as my area was one of the few to unanimously vote for "Remain"! Well it made me laugh and let's face it, we could do with some of that today. Edited by AZF - June 24 2016 at 10:17 |
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Flight123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2010 Location: Sohar, Oman Status: Offline Points: 1399 |
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I am totally depressed by the result (and I lived in one of the few areas of England outside of London to vote remain). It will unleash hell.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13795 |
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No, it won't. It really won't. In the short term, it means being governed by a bunch of metropolitan tosspots in London rather than Brussels. The real test is when someone comes along to challenge properly the political consensus run by said metropolitan tosspots. Then it will become very interesting. In fact, I welcome very much the fact that all bets are off, and suddenly politics has become dynamic and interesting again. All possibilities are now open. A lesson from yesterday. For the first time in many years, every single vote counted. Every single one, without fear or favour, and the people of the country voted in their droves to celebrate that fact, whether you agree with the result, or not. What a refreshing thing, eh? How we could properly transform our politics and country if every single election or vote carried as much weight. When it did, the people, by a clear majority, took the opportunity to deliver a massive great big raspberry to our ruling establishment. Two fingers up, and sod the consequences. As a libertarian, and former political activist of many years standing, I welcome that with great big open arms. It's called democracy in action, and it is a wonderful thing. |
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Luca Pacchiarini ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 08 2009 Location: home Status: Offline Points: 530 |
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good luck to you all.
I've got to know many british people, some of whom I consider true friends, on the other hand today I'd quite fancy seeing the Uk face the destiny of Atlantis The best way I can define this referendum is "an ill-advised excess of democracy" ![]() We should call back all our cooks, then after 3 months you'll be crying to get back in again
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13795 |
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I'm sorry, Luca, but wishing us the destiny of Atlantis is way over the top, sorry. My father's family is Maltese. I have visited Italy on a couple of occasions. I was born in West Germany, albeit when my father was serving in the British Army there. I love Europe. I am exceptionally proud of my family heritage, and will be going back there again on family holiday in August. I adore Italian history and culture. Great Britain can still learn a great deal from European culture, especially that of the southern part of the continent. I wish nothing but the best for all peoples of all nations. That does not mean that I, or many people in this country, want to share the same government as you. I am afraid that the mistake that many people who backed Remain made is that a vote to come out, and concern over numbers of inward migration into the country, is to equate that with racism. The vast majority of people are not racist. Like me, they want us all to get along in peace and harmony. |
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Luca Pacchiarini ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 08 2009 Location: home Status: Offline Points: 530 |
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Would make for a great concept album, though
I never thought (not even for a moment) that the majority of Uk residents are racists. I lived there for one year and I never, never, felt treated as a foreigner. I do however feel that many of you do not realise how a big part of Britain's success (yes, you were one of the best economies in the EU, you might not feel that way, but maybe from an outsider perspective it's evident) was attributable to your ability to draw high-skilled immigration. Hell, here in Italy (and Spain is similar I think) university marks are calculated from 1-110, once you have more than 105 they tell you "oh you're ready for England" You basically had brilliant minds (I'm NOT including myself in this group) come over to you, give you their knowledge, pay your taxes, and integrate well into your society. The same with greece, Portugal, etc. I'm not sure you can replace these people with UK nationals, if they are on the same level of preparation, how come did we get all the jobs in the tourism/food/events/creativity/ sectors? Not to mention the staggering amount of people employed in the sanitary sistem (hell, I could speak sicilian or andaluz in the hospitals)...the same with researchers...we're the second country with more research funding grants in Europe (see graph) but almost noone of these researches are conducted in Italy, ALL the best researchers go to the UK and work there. Now your system will not have the European grants, no brilliant researchers, not even their taxes. ![]() With different sectors and jobs I suppose you could say this about other EU countries. I chose the Italian expatriates example because it's the one I know best. Besides, I think a lot of people from other EU states feel sort of betrayed as this will probably have as much an impact on our economies as on yours...and we didn't get to vote. You were doing fine!!! Brussels was not governing anything, otherwise you would have been in the same state as Portugal Greece Italy etc.. Do you seriously think there was need to change? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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As a EU supporter and Remain voter I can honestly say you can keep your stroppy cooks and chefs, and your "authentic" trattoria and pizzeria, we can live without them. British chefs and English food were never bad, (just look in any Edwardian or Victorian cook book), it just suffered greatly for the first half of the 20th century because of two world wars and a world depression - we simply forgot what good food and good produce tasted like because we couldn't have it.
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What?
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Modrigue ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 14 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 1127 |
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I think the main reason why more and more European citizens from different countries turn anti-UE is that they want to take revenge and punish their incompetent and 'beyond the law' political leaders and technocrats, as they seem disconnected with people's everyday life, no matter the country. The citizens have lost confidence... Having a president (Jean-Claude Juncker) within a fiscal scandal is not very glorious for Europe. The numerous lobbies at Brussels are also a pain. Furthermore, taking the Cyprus citizens' money in 2013 abruptly, without any vote or consultation, is simply called... robbery. In Swiss, this would have required a democratic vote for such decision to be taken. Europe was initially a great human project, synonym of hope, freedom, collaboration and peace. It's a pity it has been done poorly, without consulting the citizens or having a genuine vision... ![]() Edited by Modrigue - June 24 2016 at 13:48 |
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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I'm quite amused by the result.
You may not like your life support machine, but it's a bit foolish to switch it off. |
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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Come to think of it, 2016 has generally been the worst year for world affairs in general that I can remember, and it's only June.
Now all that's needed is Donald Trump as president of the USA, and, judging by how things have been going, he can't fail. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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The Brexit may take place again on a smaller scale in the UK. Maybe there will be a Scexit and a Nexit for the UK. Then the United Kingdom will turn into Dissected Kingdom.
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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I blame this ad campaign for Remain losing the referendum:
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65616 |
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Poor Winston must be rolling over.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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