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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 08:04


 It took us 50 years to get rid of these bloody spoilers and we didn't achieve it, but they decided to go by themselves. Good frigging riddance by those spoilers... if Europe doesn't work properly, it's mostly because the Brits have stopped it for the best part of the 53 years they've been in.... Charles De Gaulle (an authoritarian arsehole in his own right, but that owes a great deal to the UK) was right in refusing the Brits in 63 as he foresaw problems even before they were in.

We'll keep the seat warm for an independent Scotland and will welcome an enlarged and reunited Ireland 
Obviously only the Welsh are too dumb to have made up their minds by themselves too. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)


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OK, all joking aside, there is only one country in the world where referendums are actually real votes (it's in their constitution): Switzerland. So this referendum is not a law or an election: it's only a non-constraining public consultation.... nothing will happen just yet.

This Brexit (if it does ever happen) will only be effective in two years' time, so there is plenty of time for England (not the UK) to wake up and realize that its low class should simply not be allowed to have a matter in politics (check the link below for the stats by regions & by income)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...s-and-analysis


OK, you can close the thread now!!! Good



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 08:09
This is all small potatoes compared to Trexit (no, not Turkey).
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 09:03
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

This Brexit (if it does ever happen) will only be effective in two years' time, so there is plenty of time for England (not the UK) to wake up and realize that its low class should simply not be allowed to have a matter in politics (check the link below for the stats by regions & by income)


I understand where you're coming from, but isn't this the same as saying democracy doesn't work? (I'm not saying it does, I'm just asking). Also, isn't this saying only the privileged ones should have a say? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 09:05
For years, I've spent my time -our time- projecting our move to the Uk.

 

I've done my master degree in England (2014-15) and I was looking to go back there in september/october.

 

The reason why I directly didn't stay there, instead deciding to work for six months in Italy, was that I didn't want to be accused on intellectual dishonesty. There's plenty of mediterranean people that moan about how terrible it is in Italy or Spain despite having never worked there, and just go abroad. I wanted to try first, and then possibly go away.

And maybe, some work experience in Italy would have been beneficial for my cv, to find something better once in the Uk..

 

My girlfriend is a Nigerian citizen with an Italian passport (she came here when she was 6). She couldn't find a job in Italy despite having a degree with great marks because apparently she's too brown for a lot of peoples' taste.

So she decided to go and work for a year in Thailand (she does like to work, we don't give a sh*t about getting benefits etc etc). SO we basically waited each other...she would end her year in september, my contract would expire in september, and i the Uk together we'd go.

 

Far from all the racists, far from Berlusconi and Renzi, far from our families that do not want us to see each other because of the colour of the skin, happy to work for England and pay our taxes there.

Now everything is in peril: my industry is tourism, the one that will likely be damaged the most by this horrific outcome. How come is a tour operator/travel agency going to employ an italian/spanish/german/portuguese speaker if international tourism will plummet? (Yes, I speak 5 different languages contrarily to the Sun-reading, ManUnited-supporting fascists that voted leave)

 

You never had to worry about going to leave in another country, you never did: you soon will have to.

 

And this dream was obliterated by this band of prostate-farting old retards that yearn for the empire wheraes they will be dead before brexit becomes a reality

You killed both our lives and I hope to see the Uk turned into a barren, poverty stricken landscape, I will hate you forever, enjoy your holidays in Blackpool

 

We're going to Ireland, b*****ds 

If this means a ban or a warning, I don't care

Viva la libertą!


There you have my opinion on the Uk referendum



Edited by Luca Pacchiarini - June 24 2016 at 09:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 09:58
^ thanks for that supremely balanced view, Luca.

Can anyone find, and post, a link to a video, or photo failing the vid, to a prostate farting old retard? I will not rest until I get to see one in action
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 09:58
Make Britain Great Again 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 10:09
Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:



And as an answer to Roger upthread; No, Sweden aren't leaving any day soon. Those who want a swexit are mostly clowns on the left and right fringes.

Phew, so the guy my dad's acquaintance spoke to was hopefully one of those clowns.  I'd only add that UKIP started out a far right fringe clown too and then it grew into a monster.  Not that I want Swexit but I fear we are entering all-bets-are-off zone now.  On a related note, the Oracle of Delphi crawled out of the woodwork to deliver an utterly gloomy prognosis. And...short of using the word that begins with K, he is basically asking for stimulus.  Go eat humble pie, free market wrecketeer. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 10:16
Well I worked all day yesterday at my local Polling Station (Try it! If you don't think you'll like the outcome look into Poll Clerk work, it sweetens the pill!) and I think we had about 7 or 10 people who bought a pen!
Look, after all the results are counted they are put into a sack which can only be opened on the orders of a Judge, so the idea of rubbing out results on an industrial scale are ludicrous!
Anyway, some people on my Facebook are inconsolable over this.
I wish the EU well, would of been great if we could of worked together better, but this wasn't to be.
And should France, Sweden, the Netherlands and Italy decide on their own referendums don't rely on fear!

And the irony of the people who used pens yesterday was wasted as my area was one of the few to unanimously vote for "Remain"!
Well it made me laugh and let's face it, we could do with some of that today.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 10:40
I am totally depressed by the result (and I lived in one of the few areas of England outside of London to vote remain).  It will unleash hell.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 11:02
Originally posted by Flight123 Flight123 wrote:

I am totally depressed by the result (and I lived in one of the few areas of England outside of London to vote remain).  It will unleash hell.


No, it won't. It really won't. In the short term, it means being governed by a bunch of metropolitan tosspots in London rather than Brussels. The real test is when someone comes along to challenge properly the political consensus run by said metropolitan tosspots. Then it will become very interesting. In fact, I welcome very much the fact that all bets are off, and suddenly politics has become dynamic and interesting again. All possibilities are now open.

A lesson from yesterday. For the first time in many years, every single vote counted. Every single one, without fear or favour, and the people of the country voted in their droves to celebrate that fact, whether you agree with the result, or not. What a refreshing thing, eh? How we could properly transform our politics and country if every single election or vote carried as much weight. When it did, the people, by a clear majority, took the opportunity to deliver a massive great big raspberry to our ruling establishment. Two fingers up, and sod the consequences.

As a libertarian, and former political activist of many years standing, I welcome that with great big open arms. It's called democracy in action, and it is a wonderful thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 11:25
good luck to you all.

I've got to know many british people, some of whom I consider true friends, on the other hand today I'd quite fancy seeing the Uk face the destiny of Atlantis

The best way I can define this referendum is "an ill-advised excess of democracy" LOL

We should call back all our cooks, then after 3 months you'll be crying to get back in again


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 11:38
Originally posted by Luca Pacchiarini Luca Pacchiarini wrote:

good luck to you all.

I've got to know many british people, some of whom I consider true friends, on the other hand today I'd quite fancy seeing the Uk face the destiny of Atlantis

The best way I can define this referendum is "an ill-advised excess of democracy" LOL

We should call back all our cooks, then after 3 months you'll be crying to get back in again



I'm sorry, Luca, but wishing us the destiny of Atlantis is way over the top, sorry.

My father's family is Maltese. I have visited Italy on a couple of occasions. I was born in West Germany, albeit when my father was serving in the British Army there.

I love Europe. I am exceptionally proud of my family heritage, and will be going back there again on family holiday in August. I adore Italian history and culture. Great Britain can still learn a great deal from European culture, especially that of the southern part of the continent. I wish nothing but the best for all peoples of all nations.

That does not mean that I, or many people in this country, want to share the same government as you. I am afraid that the mistake that many people who backed Remain made is that a vote to come out, and concern over numbers of inward migration into the country, is to equate that with racism. The vast majority of people are not racist. Like me, they want us all to get along in peace and harmony.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 12:05
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

 
I'm sorry, Luca, but wishing us the destiny of Atlantis is way over the top, sorry.

Would make for a great concept album, though

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

 
That does not mean that I, or many people in this country, want to share the same government as you. I am afraid that the mistake that many people who backed Remain made is that a vote to come out, and concern over numbers of inward migration into the country, is to equate that with racism. The vast majority of people are not racist. Like me, they want us all to get along in peace and harmony.

I never thought (not even for a moment) that the majority of Uk residents are racists. I lived there for one year and I never, never, felt treated as a foreigner.

I do however feel that many of you do not realise how a big part of Britain's success (yes, you were one of the best economies in the EU, you might not feel that way, but maybe from an outsider perspective it's evident) was attributable to your ability to draw high-skilled immigration.
Hell, here in Italy (and Spain is similar I think) university marks are calculated from 1-110, once you have more than 105 they tell you "oh you're ready for England"
You basically had brilliant minds (I'm NOT including myself in this group) come over to you, give you their knowledge, pay your taxes, and integrate well into your society. The same with greece, Portugal, etc.
I'm not sure you can replace these people with UK nationals, if they are on the same level of preparation, how come did we get all the jobs in the tourism/food/events/creativity/ sectors? 
Not to mention the staggering amount of people employed in the sanitary sistem (hell, I could speak sicilian or andaluz in the hospitals)...the same with researchers...we're the second country with more research funding grants in Europe (see graph) but almost noone of these researches are conducted in Italy, ALL the best researchers go to the UK and work there.
Now your system will not have the European grants, no brilliant researchers, not even their taxes. 


With different sectors and jobs I suppose you could say this about other EU countries. I chose the Italian expatriates example because it's the one I know best.

Besides, I think a lot of people from other EU states feel sort of betrayed as this will probably have as much an impact on our economies as on yours...and we didn't get to vote.
You were doing fine!!!
Brussels was not governing anything, otherwise you would have been in the same state as Portugal Greece Italy etc..
Do you seriously think there was need to change? CryCryCryCryCry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 12:31
Originally posted by Luca Pacchiarini Luca Pacchiarini wrote:


We should call back all our cooks, then after 3 months you'll be crying to get back in again
As a EU supporter and Remain voter I can honestly say you can keep your stroppy cooks and chefs, and your "authentic" trattoria and pizzeria, we can live without them. British chefs and English food were never bad, (just look in any Edwardian or Victorian cook book), it just suffered greatly for the first half of the 20th century because of two world wars and a world depression - we simply forgot what good food and good produce tasted like because we couldn't have it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 13:09
Originally posted by AZF AZF wrote:


And should France, Sweden, the Netherlands and Italy decide on their own referendums don't rely on fear!


I think the main reason why more and more European citizens from different countries turn anti-UE is that they want to take revenge and punish their incompetent and 'beyond the law' political leaders and technocrats, as they seem disconnected with people's everyday life, no matter the country. The citizens have lost confidence...

Having a president (Jean-Claude Juncker) within a fiscal scandal is not very glorious for Europe. The numerous lobbies at Brussels are also a pain.

Furthermore, taking the Cyprus citizens' money in 2013 abruptly, without any vote or consultation, is simply called... robbery. In Swiss, this would have required a democratic vote for such decision to be taken.

Europe was initially a great human project, synonym of hope, freedom, collaboration and peace. It's a pity it has been done poorly, without consulting the citizens or having a genuine vision... Cry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 13:52
I'm quite amused by the result.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 15:43
Come to think of it, 2016 has generally been the worst year for world affairs in general that I can remember, and it's only June.
Now all that's needed is Donald Trump as president of the USA, and, judging by how things have been going, he can't fail.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 15:44
The Brexit may take place again on a smaller scale in the UK. Maybe there will be a Scexit and a Nexit for the UK. Then the United Kingdom will turn into Dissected Kingdom.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 16:07
I blame this ad campaign for Remain losing the referendum:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2016 at 16:31
Poor Winston must be rolling over.

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