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AZF
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Joined: January 17 2012
Location: Wirral
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:31 |
I'm in the wrong country to vote, but I picked Sanders. Amazingly on another forum one person was gushing over Hilary as it will be a "dynasty" in politics! I said to them there were still places available in North Korea if they want that sort of thing. Given that we'll all "die nasty" anyway if she or Trump get in!
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zappaholic
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Location: flyover country
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Points: 2822
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:41 |
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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aglasshouse
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Joined: August 27 2014
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:42 |
Refreshing to see Trump does not have any votes. That's what I like to see.
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http://fryingpanmedia.com
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The T
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Joined: October 16 2006
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:53 |
zappaholic wrote:
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Giant Meteor doesn't discriminate. He kills caucasians, asians, muslims, latinos, blacks, everybody the same.
Ergo, Giant Meteor > Trump
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Pastmaster
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Joined: January 23 2015
Location: Spiderwood Farm
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Points: 1774
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 11:32 |
manofmystery wrote:
Pastmaster wrote:
The two I would want, John Mcafee and Austin Petersen, lost the libertarian primaries. I really wouldn't want to vote for anyone else. |
Really, you liked the blogger and the guy with a unsolved murder in his past better than Gary Johnson?
Johnson should be included as an option in this poll, by the way. Will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
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Yes, because I agree with their views more than Johnson. I know if I were a business I wouldn't want to be forced to make something against my will.
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Formentera Lady
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Joined: August 20 2010
Location: Germany
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Points: 1802
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 11:54 |
Man With Hat wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
White middle class male female voting for Bernie followed by the unappealing but better than the alternative Hellary |
ditto |
So it is.
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout
Joined: May 13 2007
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 12:24 |
Pastmaster wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
Pastmaster wrote:
The two I would want, John Mcafee and Austin Petersen, lost the libertarian primaries. I really wouldn't want to vote for anyone else. |
Really, you liked the blogger and the guy with a unsolved murder in his past better than Gary Johnson?
Johnson should be included as an option in this poll, by the way. Will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
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Yes, because I agree with their views more than Johnson. I know if I were a business I wouldn't want to be forced to make something against my will. |
Eh? Would you like to run that past the boys and girls again, this time with a little more explanation... Who is being forced to make something against their will? ... and while you're at it, what precisely is this 'something' they are being forced to make? This seems a somewhat farcical method for deciding which 'also ran' candidate to vote for.
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What?
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A Person
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Joined: November 10 2008
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 12:26 |
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zappaholic
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Joined: March 24 2006
Location: flyover country
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 13:04 |
Or if Giant Meteor is not to your liking, this guy's running again:
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Pastmaster
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Joined: January 23 2015
Location: Spiderwood Farm
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Points: 1774
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 13:41 |
Dean wrote:
Pastmaster wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
Pastmaster wrote:
The two I would want, John Mcafee and Austin Petersen, lost the libertarian primaries. I really wouldn't want to vote for anyone else. |
Really, you liked the blogger and the guy with a unsolved murder in his past better than Gary Johnson?
Johnson should be included as an option in this poll, by the way. Will be on the ballot in all 50 states.
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Yes, because I agree with their views more than Johnson. I know if I were a business I wouldn't want to be forced to make something against my will. |
Eh? Would you like to run that past the boys and girls again, this time with a little more explanation... Who is being forced to make something against their will? ... and while you're at it, what precisely is this 'something' they are being forced to make?
This seems a somewhat farcical method for deciding which 'also ran' candidate to vote for. |
Johnson wants to force companies to do things for people against their will, such as forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for gay people. While I of course am against bigotry like that, you've got to let businesses run themselves. Hopefully, smart consumers will start boycotting the business and get it to change their ways or go out of business.
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Man With Hat
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Joined: March 12 2005
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:03 |
zappaholic wrote:
Or if Giant Meteor is not to your liking, this guy's running again:
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He can't lose again. His message is just too appealing.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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The T
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Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
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Points: 17493
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:03 |
Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people...
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Pastmaster
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Joined: January 23 2015
Location: Spiderwood Farm
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Points: 1774
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:07 |
The T wrote:
Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people... |
That's not the only reason I supported those candidates of course, and that was just an example that was brought up during the libertarian debates. It's also not just about "cakes", it could be applied to any business. Would you want to be forced to sell or do something for your worst enemy?
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A Person
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 10 2008
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Points: 65760
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:25 |
Pastmaster wrote:
Hopefully, smart consumers will start boycotting the business and get it to change their ways or go out of business. |
Because the average consumer has the same economic power as a business, not to mention the time and money to spend learning and acting on such things.
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Pastmaster
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 23 2015
Location: Spiderwood Farm
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Points: 1774
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:30 |
A Person wrote:
Pastmaster wrote:
Hopefully, smart consumers will start boycotting the business and get it to change their ways or go out of business. |
Because the average consumer has the same economic power as a business, not to mention the time and money to spend learning and acting on such things.
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Consumers do have the choice to not support a business. Yes, one person can't make a difference, but if consumers as a whole start a boycott a smart business will respond to that and fix whatever the problem consumers are having. Now, that's not to say there aren't business that have shady ways of making money, but in theory what I'm saying should work.
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The.Crimson.King
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Location: WA
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Points: 4596
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:47 |
"Constantly voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil" - Jerry Garcia
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The T
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Joined: October 16 2006
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:03 |
"I was on a rock band, therefore I am wise and versed about the complexities of politics and history". Multiple people quoted on this and many other websites.
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The T
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Joined: October 16 2006
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:06 |
Pastmaster wrote:
The T wrote:
Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people... |
That's not the only reason I supported those candidates of course, and that was just an example that was brought up during the libertarian debates. It's also not just about "cakes", it could be applied to any business. Would you want to be forced to sell or do something for your worst enemy? |
I know you probably didn't mean, but that made it sound as if gays are religious people's worst enemy.
Though I'd agree religious people of the type that motivate this discussion on cakes and related are progress' worst enemy.
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A Person
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Joined: November 10 2008
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Points: 65760
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:18 |
Pastmaster wrote:
Consumers do have the choice to not support a business. Yes, one person can't make a difference, but if consumers as a whole start a boycott a smart business will respond to that and fix whatever the problem consumers are having. Now, that's not to say there aren't business that have shady ways of making money, but in theory what I'm saying should work. |
I don't think consumers have much choice at all. I cannot willfully choose to buy from ethical companies all the time or even as often as possible because i don't have 100% knowledge or the money and time to invest in such endeavors. And consumers as a whole are not copies of me either. Boycotts/strikes are good for supporting workers who are seeking concessions because there is a more immediate effect, but there is no way for the entire population to act in a way that could be equal to, say, regulations put into place to protect the environment.
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Pastmaster
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 23 2015
Location: Spiderwood Farm
Status: Offline
Points: 1774
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 15:20 |
The T wrote:
Pastmaster wrote:
The T wrote:
Yes, the presidency of the USA has to be decided on the issue of bakers making cakes for the "wrong" people... |
That's not the only reason I supported those candidates of course, and that was just an example that was brought up during the libertarian debates. It's also not just about "cakes", it could be applied to any business. Would you want to be forced to sell or do something for your worst enemy? | I know you probably didn't mean, but that made it sound as if gays are religious people's worst enemy.
Though I'd agree religious people of the type that motivate this discussion on cakes and related are progress' worst enemy. |
Gays are certainly not religious people's worst enemy, maybe a better example is a Jew doing something or selling something to a neo-nazi. I know if I was Jewish, I wouldn't want to do something nice for someone who would support the eradication of people of my faith.
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