American Politics the 2016 edition

^ Which may be one of his best qualities;  vulnerability, which as you point out will crush him.   Maybe next time when his armor is thicker.

Just get on over that colonization Africans! Apartheid ended 22 years ago! Never mind that the neoliberal reforms pushed even more people into poverty after that! Quit complaining you guys!

Bernie may be the face.. but IMO only after the real power decided not to run. I think you may have it wrong there.  Bernie has aligned himself (by joining the Democratic Party) with Warren. Not the other way around.

That in itself gets my respect as a political force to be reckoned with. She is smart and has political savy... sorry.. I don't see that in Bernie. He is throwing away any leverage with the party by staying in when he lost any chance to get the nomination. So the question must fairly be asked.. is he doing this out of what he belives in.. well fail on that.. or out of ego.. fail on that. Warren is the real power of that branch.. Bernie..  I'd like to think he could have been setting the stage.. but one can say he is not doing a good job of it. Sure he has energized and mobilized the idealists and the young.. but at some point.. one has to think long long term. Bernie was never going to win the nomination. He needed to get some of the planks put into the Democratic platform. Is he blowing it by holding out. Maybe ..maybe not. Hillary is nothing if but a very shrewd politician.

Shrewd..well that is just what Warren is. Waiting... 4 years.. 8 years.. it will be her.. and as I pointed out earlier in this thread. By waiing she has let Hillary and her POWERFUL group of centrist supporter clear out she will have the whole of the party behind her. Thus the transition I think we are going to see from the Clinton -> Clinton moderate/centrist Democratic party.. to a more liberal one.

you saw that chart I posted earlier I suppose and could read it as well I could. The party is moving left.. Bernie was just ahead of that time. Elizabeth knew that and sat this out and is waiting.. and building a power base in the Senate which she, or any Democrat will need to implement REAL change.


Edited by micky - May 15 2016 at 20:25

^ Agreed-- Reagan was a cold shower in the face of decency.   Of course Hillary is establishment, but so was JFK.

Angry young men.

My opinion is that there's a fair dose of sexism as well as anger. I had a not-so-young man tell me last week that the only thing Hillary Clinton has ever accomplished in her life was to be married to Bill Clinton.

emigre80 wrote: A Person wrote: I mean regime in which the US is building a neoliberal global hegemony. Social issues are just window dressing for Clinton, I really don't think she has any real commitment to them. Of course not.  Yale Law School graduates often go to work for the Children's Defense Fund and fight for children's health coverage only as a cover up for their nefarious conservative agendas.  Nice to know you were not fooled by this obvious tactic.   I offer the following from the Children's Defense Fund website:   “CDF is pleased to recognize Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has been a tireless voice for children. She’s brilliant. She cares deeply about children. She perseveres. She’s an incredibly hard worker, and she stays with it. She’s done extraordinarily well in everything she’s ever done. and I’m just so proud of her,” said Marian Wright Edelman, President of the Children’s Defense Fund. - See more at: http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-the-news/press-releases/2013/honoring-hillary-clinton.html#sthash.y1usblOd.dpuf   And from factcheck.org: "One of Clinton’s signature claims has come under fire from political foes, quoted by the Boston Globe, who say she doesn’t deserve credit for expanding federal health insurance for millions of children. We review the record and conclude that she deserves plenty of credit, both for the passage of the SCHIP legislation and for pushing outreach efforts to translate the law into reality."   Window dressing, indeed.

She does not seem to care much for the children in Honduras who suffer because of the military coup she provided tacit support of.

micky wrote: *spits beer on monitor* well there goes Hillary's case for sainthood... he had to dig DEEP for that rebuttal... but I think he got you there Terri

Nah I already posted about it in this thread. The Clinton's also used the Clinton Foundation to exploit the earthquake in Haiti for their own profit, and her involvement in the decision to invade Libya off the top of my head. I just can't imagine building an image as a socially liberal politician meaning much when so many innocent people suffer from your use of power, political or economic.

A Person wrote: She does not seem to care much for the children in Honduras who suffer because of the military coup she provided tacit support of.

Edited by Smurph - May 15 2016 at 23:28

Smurph wrote: A Person wrote: She does not seem to care much for the children in Honduras who suffer because of the military coup she provided tacit support of. Yea, but neither them nor their parents can vote in the US election.

With all my respect to the children in Honduras, I first want a president that doesn't roll back decades of social progress HERE. Foreign policy, important as it is, is not my first focus on this election.