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    Posted: May 14 2016 at 09:31
A thread to share any opinions you have on any aspect of the genre that are unconventional or not commonly held. Is there a frequently disliked piece of music that you think is a masterpiece? Do you believe that a certain part of prog history went differently than is often told? How about an artist that you believe should/shouldn't be on this site for odd reasons?

My own example is that my favourite song off of In The Court of The Crimson King is Moonchild. 

Please keep the discussion respectful and try not to reduce it to just "I hate ____ band because they suck".
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I find Shine On You Crazy Diamond quite overrated
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My most played album by far is Casualties of Cool by Devin Townsend + Che Aimee Dorval. I don't think it's even my favourite album of his. (Though it'd be in my top 3)

Snarky Puppy should be on here because they've experimented with more genres than many of the bigger bands on this website and the last album of theirs I've heard was very rock-ish. (We Like it Here)

Not a strange opinion, I think, but I think Progarchives should take a page out of Metal Music Archives book and allow bands to have albums from multiple genres. Like Opeth's Heritage should be heavy prog and maybe prog folk, not tech/extreme prog metal. Also adding a 'not prog' genre would be nice for, say, early fusion bands to exclude that album from the top 100. (*Cough* Kind of Blue *Cough*)
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I like modern prog.
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Points: 6777 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 10:10
Originally posted by HemispheresOfXanadu HemispheresOfXanadu wrote:

Not a strange opinion, I think, but I think Progarchives should take a page out of Metal Music Archives book and allow bands to have albums from multiple genres. Like Opeth's Heritage should be heavy prog and maybe prog folk, not tech/extreme prog metal. Also adding a 'not prog' genre would be nice for, say, early fusion bands to exclude that album from the top 100. (*Cough* Kind of Blue *Cough*)

I agree with you on the genre classification. I think it would make a lot of sense to be more selective over how an artist's discography is categorized. It doesn't really make sense to call every album by an artist who develops and redefines their sound a lot over the span of their career just one genre. Surely no one would consider "Nursery Cryme" and "Invisible Touch" to both be "symphonic prog". Plus it could help alleviate a bit of the angst that fans feel when bands they like are labeled as "prog-related", even if some of their albums could be better classified under actual prog sub-genres.
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I actually quite like From Genesis To Revelation as a folk rock album.
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I think Rush is pretty boring, except Hemispheres (song) and La Villa Strangiato. I know there are quite some Rush fans here, but I just find it quite boring, more of a classic rock band who made longer songs as well.
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Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

I think Rush is pretty boring, except Hemispheres (song) and La Villa Strangiato. I know there are quite some Rush fans here, but I just find it quite boring, more of a classic rock band who made longer songs as well.

Exactly the same way with me.
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Might be weird, but I don't think Santana should be considered prog. They have their unique sound, no question about it, but it's more classic rock with a latin beat than prog-rock.
Also, a lot of the metal bands are somehow considered prog, which is a long stretch by far, since they show very little innovation or uniqueness.
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Originally posted by ALotOfBottle ALotOfBottle wrote:

I actually quite like From Genesis To Revelation as a folk rock album.
It's one of the only two Genesis albums that I like...
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^^ I think this thread is going to turn into what bands are or aren't prog......LOL
 
Regarding Santana,,,,they are listed here as jazz fusion...not prog per se.
But I have similar opinions, no that unusual,  about the prog related and crossover prog categories....either a band is prog rock or it isn't so why even have these categories and list bands like The Who and Zep who aren't really prog rock at all.


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Most folks herald Vol 3 as The Softs finest achievement - I rather prefer Vol 2.
I think Rush's best album is Signals.
I find Mahavishnu Orchestra exeedingly dull bar Apocalypse.
Yes never bettered The Yes Album.
Lodger is one of my absolute fave Bowie albums.
The vast majority of contemporary prog fans seem to love Mariuz Duda's vocals, I don't.
The best Burnin' Red Ivanhoe album is also currently the one with the poorest rating: 6 Elefantskovcikadeviser.
Best song on ITCHYCOCK is 'I Talk To The Wind'.
The 80s were wonderful.
Of the first four Fish lead Marillion albums 'Misplaced Childhood' is my least fave.
Stomu Yamashta's finest hour wasn't with Winwood and company but rather his brilliant debut - an adventure of rhythm.
Stratosfear is my least played TD album from the 70s.




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i hate the fact that pink floyd  it's qualified as prog, and whenever somebody mentions prog rock, PF it's the first thing that the average non-prog listener thinks of.
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Originally posted by Isaac Ness Isaac Ness wrote:

i hate the fact that pink floyd  it's qualified as prog, and whenever somebody mentions prog rock, PF it's the first thing that the average non-prog listener thinks of.
 
You aren't the only one who feels that way about Floyd.
 
 
btw....welcome to Prog Rock Archives.....Big smile
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I think all of Gentle Giant's first eight albums are between good and great, except Three Friends.  Which is dull as hell.
 
I love Yes (up to 1974) but can't stand Jon's lyrics (at any point).
 
Similarly I would like all King Crimson albums from ITCOCK to Red better if they were instrumental.  The lyrics (with one or two honourable exceptions) are embarrassing and I find both Greg Lake and John Wetton overdo the vocal histrionics. I actually prefer Boz.
 
I have never managed to listen to a Jethro Tull album all the way through.
 
I liked Rush more when they were a hard rock band with ambitions than when they went full on prog.  Caress of Steel rocks!
 
Likewise, the more progressive Mastodon got, the less interested I was. 
 
Love Beach is a better album than Works Vol. 1.  At least it ends sooner Wink


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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Yes never bettered The Yes Album.

Nobody will ever have a more "unusual prog opinion".
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Points: 6777 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 13:18
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Yes never bettered The Yes Album.

Nobody will ever have a more "unusual prog opinion".

Oddly enough, I'll have to second Guldbamsen on this one. I feel that everything Yes did until Relayer was exceptional, but The Yes Album is simply the one that I enjoy the most reliably and consistently.

Another few of mine: 
  • I prefer the album In The Wake of Poseidon to In The Court of The Crimson King
  • Atom Heart Mother is the single best thing Pink Floyd produced
  • I adore just about every jazz fusion band from the 70's Quebec scene except for Sloche. I never found them to be any more than decent.
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It is of my unusual opinion that prog causes violence in nursing homes and that effects the earth's rotation in unforeseen ways
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I know of at least one more PAer who feels the same about The Yes Album (Darryl aka Zravkapt).

A few more:
Klaus Schulze's best album is Blackdance.
I dislike Annie Haslam's vocals with a vengeance. Very nice lady though.
Floyd's More is a particular fave of mine although it isn't their best.
Ummagumma is a masterpiece - studio album included.
Iskander is Supersister's best album.
I prefer Michael Giles over Bill Bruford.
I prefer Phil Collins over Chester Thompson (on drums).
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Points: 6451 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 14:06
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I know of at least one more PAer who feels the same about The Yes Album (Darryl aka Zravkapt).

A few more:
I dislike Annie Haslam's vocals with a vengeance. Very nice lady though.
Floyd's More is a particular fave of mine although it isn't their best.
Ummagumma is a masterpiece - studio album included.


The Yes Album has balls!

I agree with the three above (and I also agree that prog causes violence in nursing homes). Here's some of my own:

I like Magma but can't stand the studio version of MDK
I think Wakeman's best album is No Earthly Connection (and that it's better than most 70's Yes albums)
1984 is the best thing Anthony Phillips did (with or without Genesis)
"Taurus II" is one of Oldfield's best side-longs.
Heatwave is the best Univers Zero album
I like the Talk Talk offshoot .O.Rang more than Talk Talk themselves
Magma America Great Make Again
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