American Politics the 2016 edition

I do not forfeit my right to complain

Edited by timothy leary - May 05 2016 at 15:46

^A "more of the same" every adult should prefer to "possible and very likely complete apocalyptic cataclysm" with Donald Trump 

Coincidentally on that matter I just finished reading a short little article which basically says everything I think on the subject of Sanders voters and the new situation right now.. 

lazland wrote: The T wrote: ^A "more of the same" every adult should prefer to "possible and very likely complete apocalyptic cataclysm" with Donald Trump  It strikes me that it is the "more of the same" that is turning people towards the likes of Trump.

perhaps.. but perhaps not the way you see it.

don't mistake a few here that really seem to care about where Hillary gets her money from...for the gen pop.. most of us know and accept that money and wall street drive business, drive politics. It is not going to change. Not short of blood and political revolution. When the people that benefit make the rules, the voter has NO say in breaking the cycle of money and influence in politics. No term limits, no campaign finance reform. Never going to happen. So either you accept it or forfeit your right (and responsibility) to vote in protest when candidates like Hillary.. don't meet one's approval due to her ties to Wall Street.

The simple truth as I see it. We as Americans don't care if our politictians are paupers or piss in gold plated urinals.  For 30 plus years the American voter has cared about one thing.. even over their own financial well beings..

do you really think THAT drives Trump and his supporters.. no this does..

to quote from Teo's article...

the Republican party's relentless pandering to bigots and resentful regressives who see their country changing and can't handle it created the Frankenstein monster that is Donald Trump.

More and the same is the victory of social liberization in this country over the social conservatism.  Since Reagan elections have not been about your checkbook they have been about the culture war that has waged in the country.

more of the same. It is the path they fight a losing battle against.  You got that right... equality for all Americans. Regardles if you are a f**king Muslim, Hispanic, gay, women or whatever. This country is no longer an Ozzie and Harriet male dominated WASP dominated society. Why do you think there is so much hatred against Hillary. A 20 year war against her (and Bill) by the right.

They scare the regressive elements of this country. A large aspect of this country has never accepted the changes in this country.. and still fight against it.




Edited by micky - May 06 2016 at 07:41

"Being true to yourself" so that's what matters. Not that the whole country can go down in flames. Purely narcissistic reasons of voting in one or another way (something I have already said about some Bernie voters).

The T wrote: "Being true to yourself" so that's what matters. Not that the whole country can go down in flames. Purely narcissistic reasons of voting in one or another way (something I have already said about some Bernie voters).

Okay, fair enough, you pick your clown from a standpoint of fear. I will sit this one out.

well said.

emigre80 wrote: timothy leary wrote: The T wrote: "Being true to yourself" so that's what matters. Not that the whole country can go down in flames. Purely narcissistic reasons of voting in one or another way (something I have already said about some Bernie voters). Okay, fair enough, you pick your clown from a standpoint of fear. I will sit this one out.   And from all of us - women, minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims and immigrants - who will be so much worse off if the "purists" sit it out and Trump gets elected: a great big thank you in advance. Your selfishness will mean that many will suffer. If you can live with that you must have a stone for a heart.

indeed "sitting this one out" can only help the Elephant's Trump to win it.... if thousands like Leary do that, it's really not a favour to our planet

We've got enough idiots like the North korean clown, Putin, Bachar, the Saudis, the Ayatollah and that Erdogan turkey as it is (not to mention the Polish and Hungarians idiots in office)... One more of them will unsettle this dangerously the already too-endangered equilibrium we're in. This toupéed idiot will drive a global war, if he gets in the oval office  (then I will only have to support a US military coup to remove him)

Fortunately I think common sense will prevail, and most Unitedstatians will not agree with this buffoon representing them (and actually I believe the Democrat donkeys are laughing all the way to the oval office)

If common sense prevails (and everyone goes voting), this could be THE most lopsided victory (a bit like Chirac won against LePen in 2002 in France with over 80% - when it usually is between 47 and 53%). I can't believe no one in the GOP has realized this, yet

I hate both candidates but will vote Clinton if only for the Supreme Court, it's too important, between elections I'll still push my left leaning agenda until those candidates are no longer available.

One thing is sure: Americans have lost the right to criticize and/or make fun of Italy for electing Berlusconi. As bad as Berlusconi was for my country's image, finances and general political and social climate, he did not wield the power or influence the president of the US does. I can tell you that, when I was in Rome last month, people were seriously worried about a possible Trump presidency.