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    Posted: April 22 2016 at 07:08
Just realized that I know no(thing about) jazz and I wondered where to start. Is jazz even an album-genre?
I reckon fusion could be easier to get into if one is familiar with prog.

So simply I'm asking what kind of artists/sub-genres there are and which are recommended to start with.
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For prog-jazz, I recommend Soft Machine's Third and Mahavishnu Orchestra's Birds of Fire.

For modal jazz, John Coltrane's My Favorite Things and Olé


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I am no Jazz aficionado but a site called All About Jazz gives some good info on where to start..
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/jazz-where-to-begin-by-aaj-staff.php

For some traditional Jazz,  Dave Brubeck - Take Five and Miles Davis - Kind of Blue may be a good starting point.

For intro into the fusion world, Miles Davis - In a Silent Way and Bitch's Brew as well as some Herbie Hancock.

For the prog/fusion stuff, as mentioned above, Mahavishnu Orchestra and also Passport.  In the RPI world, Area would fit sort of in this category.

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Points: 5111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2016 at 08:28
I just wrote a long, boring post on this topic full of personal reflections and every detail of the intricate history of modern jazz from 1940 to the present. 
 
Then I lost it before I could post it Angry Censored Cry Ouch
 
Well, sod typing all that out again. I'm just going to post a few examples of different styles instead.


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Bebop, the fountainhead of all modern jazz. Started early forties.
 
Listen for Charlie Parker's alto sax break here. People weren't ready for this sh*t:
 
 
How slick is Bud Powell's piano playing here?  This was 1949!
 
 
The unique Thelonius Monk:
 
 
 
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I guess Soft Machine and much of the Canterbury scene albums got me liking Jazz and Fusion Prog, but not true, old-school style Jazz......
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Hard bop became a dominant style a little later.  Taking the language of bebop but streamlining and simplifying.
 
If one band epitomised this style it would be Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers.
 
Bobby Timmons' classic, Moanin', drenched in the blues:
 
 
Note how different this bombastic 1960 take on A Night In Tunisia is from Charlie Parker's version of the same tune:
 
 
 


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Cool jazz, a less is more approach pioneered by Miles amongst others:
 
 
The style probably reached its pinnacle here:
 
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In California they took the cool school as a basis and developed their own West Coast sound.
 
 
 


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Very good suggestions so far, I'd go with 

John Coltrane - A Love Supreme & Blue Train
Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue & Bitches Brew
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Collossus
Herbie Hancock - Crossing
Thelonius Monk - Brilliant Corners

There's also a very vibrant modern jazz scene at the moment with bands like Nik Bartsch Ronin, Gutbucket, Claudia Quintet, Jaga Jazzist, elephant9, Hidden Orchestra, Kilimanjaro Dark Jazz, Blue Cranes, Pixel, the cellar & point, Ergo, Gogo Penguin, The Necks, Snarky Puppy



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Some experimented with the combination of jazz and compositional elements from classical music, the so called 'third stream':
 
 
 


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Some questioned why there should be any rules or framework at all for improvisation.
 
The results could be challenging:
 
 
but didn't have to be noisy or difficult:
 
 
 
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Yet others wanted to take things back to basics, emphasising blues, gospel and funk roots - soul jazz.
 
 
 
 
The Hammond organ was put to frequent use in this style:
 


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Herbie Hancock - Crossing

and if you can't get into that one, go no further, you won't like Jazz.
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The avant-garde was not all about just dispensing with composition.

One of my personal favourites of all time:
 
 
This was radical in 1964 and still sounds completely new to me:
 
 
Coltrane was on a path of his own:
 
 
 


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If you really want to see a bunch of progheads talking jazz there's a 1300 post thread on PE dedicated to Jazz
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Points: 5111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2016 at 10:05
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Herbie Hancock - Crossing

and if you can't get into that one, go no further, you won't like Jazz.
 
I don't agree with that. Jazz has far too many facets for any one piece of music or album to be a simple litmus test. I'm sure there are countless fans of different aspects of jazz who wouldn't / don't care for Crossings.
 
Though personally I love it Thumbs Up
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I tend to agree, I'm not really into the early stuff like Glen Miller, Charlie Parker & Duke Ellington. The 50's & 60's with Coltrane, Mingus, Davis, Brubeck, Collins, Monk is really a golden couple of decades for me. I like a lot of the Fusion that came in the 70's and a lot of the avant, minimalist & experimental stuff thats around now. But I could never stand free jazz.
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