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moshkito 
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 Topic: Books I Would Like to Read (Updated)Posted: October 29 2017 at 22:28 |
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I'm planning on getting this, although I was (probably) one of the first to get the two solo albums he had when he first went alone, and I loved the first one with the two huge anthems in them, and then the 2nd album was a total wash down of every thing, and a great disappointment ... sorry , I was into Bob Dylan the whole time, and the far out music is not interesting to me ... kind of thing. It was nice to see him, though I never caught him in concert, finally go back and be able to perform some of the great things he sang way back, going all the way back ... even if the renditions were not great themselves, at least they stood up lyrically. Compare some of these with KC doing some of these things recently, and it is quite different. I always thought that Greg was more of an actor saying his words in a lot of the stuff he did, from the very early days, but I think that the rock'n'roll media thing got to him, and he tried the conventional singing thing and did not make it sound OK. Some will say, there is no difference, but there is ... ask Meatloaf about that ... "I'm an actor singing!" |
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moshkito
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Posted: October 28 2017 at 12:14 |
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In case no one knows, Eroc is the name of the drummer for the Grobbschnitt band and he has a few solo albums and they are very good. It appears he is/was the engineer (for the most part) of all things Grobbschnitt, and the remastered "Solar Music Live" is worth having for 2 or 3 or 4 different versions of the same thing, and the recording side of it is really clean. I like, specially, Erig (Eroc's) transitions in drumming ... some folks simply count 8 or 16 beats to get started, and I like to joke that Eroc starts his transition yesterday ...
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Rednight
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Posted: October 27 2017 at 15:36 |
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Squonk19
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Joined: April 03 2015 Location: Darlington, UK Status: Offline Points: 4782 |
Posted: October 26 2017 at 17:53 |
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Just ordered Greg Lake's autobiography - Lucky Man - and going to hold off reading it until the Christmas break - when I've got no lesson planning or book marking for a couple of weeks, and can snuggle into a comfy armchair with some ELP and King Crimson in the background - and maybe an Islay single malt by the side......hmmmmm!
Keep meaning to give Smallcreep's Day another go - having run out of steam after a few chapters a few years ago. Not sure if I'll find it has a profound message, or just a rather quirky, unsatisfactory finale? Edited by Squonk19 - October 26 2017 at 17:57 |
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“Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.”
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moshkito
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Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17774 |
Posted: October 26 2017 at 09:36 |
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Hi, (updated 10/26/2017 as new post) Andy Partridge "Complicated Game". So far very interesting and fun read. In the vein of Robert Wyatt kind of fun reading and humor. And he knows his music history, too! Kinda hard to write about this one, and I have not figured out how to do it yet. Can not find a way to write a decent review of this book. Am planning on re-reading it, but since it is a one song at a time thing, there is a lot of the early stuff I do not know. Jerry Garcia Book by his friend, that details Jerry's trip. Very nice book, though you know that it will come to an end sadly. Very nice book all around, and it really goes deep into the history of the area, with the folks ... difficult to review for me, though, as that is one scene I do not really know enough about and I did not follow or listen to Hot Tuna and the other bands mentioned. Lately, listening to some of the early GD, really brings out, how good a guitarist he was ... I may have to re-read this in order to review it, but his drug addictions are really hard to take and ... work through. Meatloaf Interesting and curious on this one, for a guy that is as good a singer as he is an actor, but I think he got spoiled by rock music and the attention, to give the stage more time. Curious to read it and see what he says, but I have a feeling he won't say much about the stage. Very interesting and FAST read and lots of fun. Still working on a review of it, but it may be difficult since he looks at singing like an actor does his script and this is something that a "progressive" audience is not likely to get or understand, because it's not rock'n'roll. Klaus Schulze - By Greg Allen Got a Revolution - The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane Nick Mason Too many ... missing too much in between ... and I think that sometimes things were done just because people could see the direction and the thread. Tangerine Dream A few other things: Kinda running dry of reads lately, but sadly some of that German stuff is not getting translated, so I'm out of luck on those German books, Italian books and (probably) Japanese books. A compiled book with the stuff from the videos from YMO and Sadistic Mika Band, would be an interesting thing. Ryuichi, seems to have a lot of material and videos on the tube and for all intents and purposes these make a nice bunch of chapters, and my favorites are actually his solo piano stuff, and that is yet another thing that is more than just the progressive/experimental material that he was doing. Edited by moshkito - October 26 2017 at 09:37 |
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moshkito
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Posted: June 24 2016 at 10:11 |
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My favorite part always was when the family moved to Santa Barbara, from Madison, WI in 1972, and it only took me 5 minutes to find that long hair was a fad, and smoking dope meant you were cool, and could stay at the party. Time to leave and get rid of the hair! And Santa Barbara, was probably worse. And it is not getting better. 10 years ago, when I visited mom, I stopped at Safeway for a few things, and I had one of those Univision baseball caps on which I got at work (Cable Company), and the sneer and comment from the person behind me was ... look at that ugly spic! Cool and fauxplasticrich hip ... your perfume is cheap and smells like ...... ! It was bad, and 40 years later, it only got worse. No respect. No education. For me, it was the main reason why California is long dead, and needs to die more so some of these vermin, leave for the South Pole. The book is bringing up a lot of those things to mind, and it's hard to not sympathize with Grace's wit and sometimes over bearing comments. She was not wrong, even in saying it.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 24 2016 at 03:39 |
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^ Yes it was a very contradictory time; peace & love one minute, deceit and treachery the next. All it took was one idiot or bad acid trip and the whole thing was shot.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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moshkito
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Posted: June 24 2016 at 00:00 |
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Hi,
Been reading a book on the Jefferson Airplane, and while it is nice to read a few things, in many ways, it is also a very sad book. You get to appreciate and hate the flower scene, and how people that were associated with it, also came to hate it, and then how their own music suffered as a result. The book is very good, but man ... it really hits the guts at time, and you can't help feel that a part of you has been left behind. Your innocence, or ignorance, I guess ... something that is very scary for all of us. I'll post a review when done. One thing ... not sure I am enjoying the antics, even by someone like Grace Slick, which I have found distasteful in some cases, but that's like saying that other artists did not do the same thing, and we know they did!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
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Posted: June 23 2016 at 23:55 |
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I would be interested in this ... always enjoyed that band and their attitude towards music.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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progaardvark
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Posted: June 21 2016 at 11:56 |
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Costly, but sounds like it was a wise investment, both financially and for enjoyment. I believe the original 1981 Italian edition published in 2 volumes can fetch between $4000 and $7000 depending on condition. The other editions published in 1983 aren't that far behind. That's from a quick scan of AbeBooks.com. I think there is a more affordable Rizzoli edition published a few years ago. But for those of us that can't afford this, there is a scan of the one published by Abbeville Press here: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/CodexSeraphinianus.pdf Still, the physical book is probably many times better to look at than a scan. I wonder if Serafini was inspired by the Voynich manuscript?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 21 2016 at 11:37 |
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For any of you XTC fans out that may not be aware of it, there is a collection of interviews with Andy Partridge that's a really good read called Complicated Game.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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moshkito
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Posted: June 20 2016 at 03:16 |
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It really does not matter where you start ... as long as you do. There is enough satisfying stuff all around ... now if someone could translate that German stuff on Amon Duul ... it would help ... not sure I can learn German fast enough to read it!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Rednight
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 12:14 |
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Micky Dolenz's account of his time with the Monkees.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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BaldFriede
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Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
Posted: June 14 2016 at 10:42 |
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We actually have that book in our library. I bought it in 1985 after having read an article about it. My parents called me mad because it cost no less than 289 DM, which was almost all the money I got for my school holiday job (I worked in a book store). A figure in comparison: The average gross wage in Germany of 1985 was 35286 DM per year. It is the most expensive book in our library! |
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Greys0n
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 07:17 |
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i have so many books in my list that i don't know when i will have time to start it
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moshkito
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 07:49 |
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Or even better, Micky ... how EROC can make Steven look like a child playing with knobs!
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moshkito
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Posted: April 28 2016 at 09:41 |
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Hi,
Got past one third of the way in the "EUROCK" book by Archie Patterson. It's 1981 that I am reading about right now. Incredible book, really. If you don't know the years and how so much of this music was referred to, you really ought to hear from the musicians themselves and their plight for some attention. It was pretty much all over Europe and then some. (Makes me wish there was a book like this about other music's around the world. I can imagine how so many African cultures feel, when so much of their music was taken and turned into "western music" in Europe and America!) Must read bits: Peter Michael Hamel's discussion in 1980 about music and its cultural threads. Richard Pinhas interview about the music he and others play. Essential reading for understanding a lot of "progressive" music and its design. I think that we forget how "big" and how "small" Europe is, and how close to each other everyone is, and thus how these cultures mix and interact with one another. Quite visible in the music history, btw. It is massive, on the socio/political relevance of many of these bands, although it never needs to touch the big three at all, and in fact, there are a lot of mentions and bands, and records that were pretty much copied by at least 2 of the 3. This book, is, by very far, the best historical book on the music ... period. Sadly, it is told with the articles at the time, which is different, and not something that we are used to reading and looking at, but after the first couple of years, it gets better and easier to relate to. But hearing from so many bands, directly, and how disappointed they were that they could not get enough attention, is, to say the least, gut wrenching and very sad, and it helps to see how so many of these things fell apart so quickly ... and then how some commercially presented stuff made it so easily! For me, it helps define music ... and its desire and need, beyond just "entertainment".
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moshkito
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Posted: April 15 2016 at 09:29 |
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I'm actually thinking of getting this ... but these are hard to express and explain and even take an effort to review ... other than say something stupid like ... it's crazy, it's silly ... over and out! Which is kinda sad, and would not really say a whole lot about the art work itself ... Luigi, fits in the same area as Searle and some other great cartoonists, at a time, when it was valuable, a bit more than it is now. These pictures are always great, and I just wish I had a BIGGGGG ONE for my wall, on a poster or bigger, to impress myself each and every morning, and blow out my friends when they saw it! It would say just about everything about all the CD's and LP's in front of them! Hahaha ... sorry ... couldn't help it ... PS: I would also want Roger Dean and Hipgnosis posters on the wall from here to the kitchen! Heck, I would like a whole wall painted that way!
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pianoman
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Posted: April 14 2016 at 23:48 |
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Codex Seraphinianus.
Though no one can read that, except Luigi himself, if its not just gibberish. 
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moshkito
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Posted: April 14 2016 at 22:07 |
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I don't dislike SW, but his solo work is not as valuable to me as Porcupine Tree's work is. I'll evaluate why more on another thread. I do think that his work is a lot like top ten ... super clean and over studio'd, making it look like that it is better than it really is ... I would like to just go up to his place, unplug everything, and just give him an acoustic guitar and tell him to play it and sing. I get this feeling that he wouldn't be able to do it ... without his ideas of what makes music better and more important to him! It's just a thought ... not a disrespect in any way!
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