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Posted: March 25 2016 at 23:47
From the world of prog-related/hard rock, there are classical influences on Deep Purple's Prelude: Happiness/I'm So Glad (intro based on Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade), Hey Joe (intro based on Manuel de Falla's ballet El sombrero de tres picos), Exposition - We Can Work It Out (intro based on Beethoven and Tchaikovsky), Anthem, Concerto for Group and Orchestra, and the superb April, Uriah Heep's Salisbury and Rainbow's Stargazer and Difficult to Cure (based on Beethoven's Ode to Joy).
I also recommend Jon Lord's Sarabande, another rock band and orchestra experiment in the vein of Concerto for Group and Orchestra, but the rock group is much more integrated with the orchestra.
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Posted: March 25 2016 at 16:08
ALotOfBottle wrote:
kenethlevine wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Some great ones already mentioned; thought I'd add-
Triumvirat, Latte e Miele, Wallenstein, Beggar's Opera, Pell Mell.
love Pell Mell! All their first 4 albums are worth having, even if I think they made a bit of a mess of "From the New World". Plenty of quotes from the greats but also stuff that sounds like it was ripped off of a classical composer but maybe wasn't, and that's a compliment.
Then there is Renaissance of course. Michael Dunford was the main composer during their peak period, and he was well steeped in the Romantic classical tradition
I think I am missing out on Renaissance, some of the stuff I listened to I didn't find all that pleasing. What albums are recommended?
well, it depends whom you ask
Renaissance has 2 distinct lineups. The first version released 2 albums, s/t and Illusion. They get a lot of respect on here
The second version is the better known, and it's the one with MIchael Dunford full time and Annie Haslam, the singer who is the only remaining member from the lineup that released a string of charting albums between 1972 and 1979.
I would suggest to go chronologically, starting with Prologue, then Ashes are Burning, Turn of the Cards, Sheherazade, Novella, and a Song for all Seasons. My favorite is the latter, but it helps to have heard the others to appreciate it more. There are MANY live albums, suffice to say you need to hear at least one 20 minute version of "Ashes are Burning" done live.
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Posted: March 25 2016 at 16:00
Plus- The Seven Deadly Sins
Jack Nitzsche- St. Giles Cripplegate
Alan Parsons Project- Tales of Mystery and Imagination. The Fall of the House of Usher is inspired by Debussy, who considered writing an opera on the story.
Art of Noise- The Seduction of Claude Debussy.
are we considering bands like Gryphon or Third Ear Band?
Some great ones already mentioned; thought I'd add-
Triumvirat, Latte e Miele, Wallenstein, Beggar's Opera, Pell Mell.
love Pell Mell! All their first 4 albums are worth having, even if I think they made a bit of a mess of "From the New World". Plenty of quotes from the greats but also stuff that sounds like it was ripped off of a classical composer but maybe wasn't, and that's a compliment.
Then there is Renaissance of course. Michael Dunford was the main composer during their peak period, and he was well steeped in the Romantic classical tradition
I think I am missing out on Renaissance, some of the stuff I listened to I didn't find all that pleasing. What albums are recommended?
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Posted: March 25 2016 at 14:22
presdoug wrote:
Some great ones already mentioned; thought I'd add-
Triumvirat, Latte e Miele, Wallenstein, Beggar's Opera, Pell Mell.
love Pell Mell! All their first 4 albums are worth having, even if I think they made a bit of a mess of "From the New World". Plenty of quotes from the greats but also stuff that sounds like it was ripped off of a classical composer but maybe wasn't, and that's a compliment.
Then there is Renaissance of course. Michael Dunford was the main composer during their peak period, and he was well steeped in the Romantic classical tradition
Most prog rock bands gave "nods" to Bach (Procol Harum's "A Whiter Shade of Pale", Genesis' "Horizons" and Tull's "Bouree")
Sort of reminds me of that.
If we are at it, I believe Egg fits the best in what I'm looking for.
Egg use quotes from "Hall Of The Mountain King" by Grieg and "Rite of Spring" by Stravinsky.
Even the last song I posted, which doesn't have all that much of classical music influence to it, it has a very classical feel to it.
Now that I'm thinking, even this has a strong classical, tunes. It is a visible quote of "Rite Of Spring" by Stravinsky. However, this is more rock-orientated.
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Posted: March 25 2016 at 09:53
Dean wrote:
Unfortunately much of what is called "classical influence" in Prog is little more than imitation and pastiche - swathes of string samples is not classical influence and mutli-part song structures doth not a symphony make.
There are some exceptions to this, but not a lot. One not mentioned thus far that is truly worthy of the "classical influence" tag is The Enid.
You are, of course, correct in your observations, Dean (particularly in regards to The Enid). Most prog rock bands gave "nods" to Bach (Procol Harum's "A Whiter Shade of Pale", Genesis' "Horizons" and Tull's "Bouree"), but I've always enjoyed John Evan's integration of Beethoven,Rachmaninoff and Debussy in "By Kind Permission of":
And ELP certainly had an affinity for Aaron Copeland, and their take on Ginastera's 1st Piano Concerto has always been a favorite of mine, and Emerson seemed to take the adaptation quite seriously, even going to meet Ginastera for permission.
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Thanks for the suggestions, people! Some of them I knew and overlooked, some names are new to me! I've got everything downloaded and listening to all of these at the moment!
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Posted: March 25 2016 at 09:08
Quella Vecchia Locanda is a stellar Italian band whose second album, Il Tempo Della Gioia, is very romantic and classically-oriented. Their self-titled first album also has some classical influence but is driven more by blues rock influences.
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Posted: March 25 2016 at 06:58
Check out Frank Zappa, who was a legitimate classical composer. He tended to favor extremely complex arrangements influenced by Stravinsky, Varese, and Webern.
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Posted: March 25 2016 at 05:52
I was also going to suggest The Black Mages, who arrange Nobuo Uematsu's video game music to symphonic/progressive metal music. Since Uematsu's a classical composer, the genre's influence on the group is incredibly strong and evident (and highly complex, I might add)
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