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lazland 
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 Posted: March 15 2016 at 01:28 |
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Trump has his own bullies. they should wear brown shirts like the SA (Sturmabteilung, Hitler's gang for the dirty workl who were responsible for the Reichstagsbrand (Reichstag fire) and the Kristallnacht (crystal night)
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Jean, you are an intelligent person, but this is a vastly silly post. Trump is many, many things. He is not, though, a Nazi, and to call the vast majority of his followers such is to completely and utterly misunderstand them and their motives. This is absolutely typical of the liberal left, who, the older I get, the more I loathe and mistrust. When will the metropolitan establishment begin to realise that it is they who have created the conditions in which a Trump flourishes? Clinton will likely win this election, and all "decent" and "caring" folk, across the world, will breath a sigh of relief, spout on forums such as this just what a good thing it is that liberal values, democracy, and equality are safe in her hands. The trouble is that Clinton will not change one fundamental thing in America, not one jot. The lot of the ordinary working class American will not change at all, and her election will make a future "Trump" far more, not less, likely.
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Posted: March 15 2016 at 03:00 |
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Well, when you come to think of it, it's the same kind of argument made for first black president or first woman president. I mean, representation is all very well but at the end of the day you want the most capable leader from among the candidates as prez. Any other reason isn't good enough. Not that Obama has been a letdown, but "wee, he'll be our first black president" is superficial. |
not quite. it should not be used as an argument for voting for the first black or the first woman. but: there have been 43 presidents before Obama, and they were all white males. heck, have there ever been female candidates at all before Clinton? the symbolic value of "first black" or "first woman" must not be underestimated. by the way: Germany never had a woman in the highest political office yet either. nor a black, but the latter is not that surprising; the percentage of black people in Germany is very low. there have been some attempts o put a woman in the highest political office, but so far none succeeded. and don't mention Angela Merkel; Chancellor is only the third-highest political office in Germany, after Federal President and President of the Bundestag, the German parliament
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Posted: March 15 2016 at 05:29 |
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Well, when you come to think of it, it's the same kind of argument made for first black president or first woman president. I mean, representation is all very well but at the end of the day you want the most capable leader from among the candidates as prez. Any other reason isn't good enough. Not that Obama has been a letdown, but "wee, he'll be our first black president" is superficial. |
not quite. it should not be used as an argument for voting for the first black or the first woman. but: there have been 43 presidents before Obama, and they were all white males. heck, have there ever been female candidates at all before Clinton? the symbolic value of "first black" or "first woman" must not be underestimated.
by the way: Germany never had a woman in the highest political office yet either. nor a black, but the latter is not that surprising; the percentage of black people in Germany is very low. there have been some attempts o put a woman in the highest political office, but so far none succeeded.
and don't mention Angela Merkel; Chancellor is only the third-highest political office in Germany, after Federal President and President of the Bundestag, the German parliament
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The symbolic importance does not in my view trump (pun unintended) having the most capable person to run a multi trillion dollar economy with millions of people; it's a job of extreme responsibility. The problem of poor representation of women and minorities at the top has to be addressed by affirmative action at the grassroots, so that the system throws up more such candidates. But, just as believing Hillary Clinton can't do the job just because she is a woman is wrong, so too saying she should get it because she is a woman (and not necessarily because she is the best candidate) is equally wrong.
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Posted: March 15 2016 at 06:36 |
rogerthat wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Well, when you come to think of it, it's the same kind of argument made for first black president or first woman president. I mean, representation is all very well but at the end of the day you want the most capable leader from among the candidates as prez. Any other reason isn't good enough. Not that Obama has been a letdown, but "wee, he'll be our first black president" is superficial. |
not quite. it should not be used as an argument for voting for the first black or the first woman. but: there have been 43 presidents before Obama, and they were all white males. heck, have there ever been female candidates at all before Clinton? the symbolic value of "first black" or "first woman" must not be underestimated.
by the way: Germany never had a woman in the highest political office yet either. nor a black, but the latter is not that surprising; the percentage of black people in Germany is very low. there have been some attempts o put a woman in the highest political office, but so far none succeeded.
and don't mention Angela Merkel; Chancellor is only the third-highest political office in Germany, after Federal President and President of the Bundestag, the German parliament
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The symbolic importance does not in my view trump (pun unintended) having the most capable person to run a multi trillion dollar economy with millions of people; it's a job of extreme responsibility. The problem of poor representation of women and minorities at the top has to be addressed by affirmative action at the grassroots, so that the system throws up more such candidates. But, just as believing Hillary Clinton can't do the job just because she is a woman is wrong, so too saying she should get it because she is a woman (and not necessarily because she is the best candidate) is equally wrong. |
certainly. but if I had to choose between Trump and Clinton, and that's what it most likely will boil down to since I don't see the GOP stopping Trump I know where my vote would go
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Posted: March 15 2016 at 07:06 |
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Yup. Trump isn't even like among the most successful businessmen in the world, he is among the best in marketing himself, yes. My point was more to do with symbolism vis a vis just selecting a good candidate. I find the notion that Trump is a good candidate a frightening one, though I am not surprised (Steve has summed up the reasons why).
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Posted: March 15 2016 at 20:47 |
An Obituary for Marco Rubio:
Well, many didn't, but I saw this coming from a mile away. You were the GOP establishment's champion, a politician who rode the tides of spilt tea and have the opinions to go with it but still willing to kowtow to the generally saner big boys. And your ethnicity was a nice plus. But you weren't ready. Your whole political career has been one long fall up, until tonight when gravity remembered you existed. One of the laziest voting records in Congress, and, my God, you were sloppier than a Half Japanese album. You didn't know what to make of the campaign trail - forget hairpiece, you probably would've drowned in a fair fight. First there was that night the needle started skipping in New Hampshire, then there were the flustered and limp attempts to parrot and return fire against the combover. You've always been in over your head, and its finally caught up to you.
Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy post at some conservative think tank.
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Posted: March 15 2016 at 22:43 |
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Well, I have no reason to support the democratic party anymore this election.
PARTY IN THE GREENHOUSE, WHOOP WHOOP
JILL STEIN 2016
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 02:13 |
Sanders supporter. The first time in my life a politician that largely represents my true beliefs has hit mainstream acceptance, very exciting. Will be voting for him in the primary no matter what, but I can't vote Clinton, and no Republican is close to acceptable, so for the Presidential election Green Party it is.
Bernie made it farther than anyone realistically expected, and given the fact he started with nothing and was up against one of the biggest names in the party, really have to be impressed. I hope he presses on to the convention and wins as many votes and states as he can, but today was critical for him to stay alive to a more favorable map... needless to say any realistic chance is over. Still, this is great for the progressive movement. No longer a fringe group that is forced to accept the Democratic mainstream and, very, modest goals, in recent years they have been able to push towards the mainstream, and Sanders' campaign will only strengthen that. Just a couple of years ago I kept saying we needed massive jobs programs but  what are the chances in my lifetime? Funny how things change.
Anyway, yeah Jill Stein all the way.
Drumpf is a fascinating enigma, he's kind of a conservative rejection of Reagan. I mean...anti trade bills, wont touch Soc Security, Medicare and Medicaid? Using pro labor/working class rhetoric? This is shattering Republican orthodoxy. In a way he's the conservative Sanders: Capturing the working class population who feels left behind economically and politically, and an anti elitist sentiment.
It's basically what is happening in Europe. All these economically moderate but socially conservative, xenophobic/racist, rightist populist parties and socialist anti austerity/inequality parties sprouting up, anger at technocrats (what we may call money interests) The US isn't so unique after all 
Aaaaanyway, Trump of course can't be believed. He's flip flopped on nearly everything, is vague as hell, and is full of contradictions such as his using, and publicly supporting, outsourced labor  Scary to me that he's run a disturbing campaign and people are eating it up. He gives no details, no one knows what he truly believes even, he never mentioned the how, just him...his greatness, his deal making skills etc He's asking for a blank check and saying "f- congress and the whole system I can do it all myself!" and he's near certain to win the Republican nomination.
Ted Cruz is of course a madman, his views are radical and it's a bit disturbing he's done as well as he has, the Tea Party/Libertarian movement has hit the mainstream itself. Ron Paul I know hates the guy and many libertarians do as well, but that's what going mainstream gets ya
Poor Rubio, we kept waiting for the moment he would grab it, and it just never happened. Robotic, viewed as phony and untrustworthy and not to mention his views are also pretty far off the moderate stream.
Kasich is a good guy, I respect him and all but he pushes the same top down class warfare Reaganomics type stuff, big defense spending. No thanks.
Edited by JJLehto - March 16 2016 at 02:23
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 02:19 |
Oh, I have also been a big supporter of a multi party system. Never imagined in my life it'd ever happen, but I kind of wonder if 2016 is the very beginning. GOP seems incapable of holding itself together, and now has a 2nd fissure to deal with. The Democrats are facing this rising progressive wing, and while I think they are better equipped to deal with it, there are deep establishment issues growing, especially over the role of $ in politics.
I personally would love a Social Democracy party (the progressive faction as its called here) and I could see 4-5 legitimate parties forming in the US. The lines are being drawn right now. But I'm tired and getting ahead of myself. This has been a fascinating campaign, to cap a fascinating time in US politics in general. Wonder where things go from here.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 02:43 |
lazland wrote:
Clinton will likely win this election, and all "decent" and "caring" folk, across the world, will breath a sigh of relief, spout on forums such as this just what a good thing it is that liberal values, democracy, and equality are safe in her hands. The trouble is that Clinton will not change one fundamental thing in America, not one jot. The lot of the ordinary working class American will not change at all, and her election will make a future "Trump" far more, not less, likely. |
This is 100% true. She will preserve the status quo, and not do much else. While this is obviously better than regression, there is lots about the status quo that isn't good, not worth preserving in the US. This is where Trump, Sanders and the Tea Party have all sprouted from.
The beaten down American middle class surely will continue to suffer, and sadly so will our democracy. Though as the report out of Princeton concluded, the US is already an oligarchy so yeah, status quo...not always a good thing to preserve.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 04:21 |
lazland wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
Trump has his own bullies. they should wear brown shirts like the SA (Sturmabteilung, Hitler's gang for the dirty workl who were responsible for the Reichstagsbrand (Reichstag fire) and the Kristallnacht (crystal night)
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Jean, you are an intelligent person, but this is a vastly silly post.
Trump is many, many things. He is not, though, a Nazi, and to call the vast majority of his followers such is to completely and utterly misunderstand them and their motives. This is absolutely typical of the liberal left, who, the older I get, the more I loathe and mistrust.
When will the metropolitan establishment begin to realise that it is they who have created the conditions in which a Trump flourishes?
Clinton will likely win this election, and all "decent" and "caring" folk, across the world, will breath a sigh of relief, spout on forums such as this just what a good thing it is that liberal values, democracy, and equality are safe in her hands. The trouble is that Clinton will not change one fundamental thing in America, not one jot. The lot of the ordinary working class American will not change at all, and her election will make a future "Trump" far more, not less, likely. |
I did not say he is a Nazi. I just said his bullying tactics are the same as those of the Nazis. organized gangs of thugs who bully those of other opinion at his rallies is exactly what the Nazis did in the early 30s. and they used the SA for it. as to the conditions: they are the conditions of turbo-capitalism. to change them is beyond any presidential effort. the basic political problem in the USA is the two-party system. in Germany we recently had federal state elections in Baden-Württemberg, Saxony-Anhalt and Rhineland-Palatinate, and while the results of these elections are not unproblematic due to the many votes that went to the very right-wing AFD (Alternative für Deutschland) the political landscape is much different. Baden-Württemberg: Green Party: 30.3% (47 seats in the federal state parliament of Baden-Württemberg) Christian-Democrats: 27.0% (42 seats) Alternative for Germany: 15.1% (23 seats) Social-Democrats: 12.7% (19 seats) Liberal Democrats: 8.3% (12 seats) Lefts: 2.9% (will not be represented in the federal state parliament since there is a 5% clause) Rhineland-Palatinate: Social Democrats: 36.2% (39 seats) Christian Democrats: 31.8% (35 seats) Alternative for Germany: 12.6% (14 seats) Liberal Democrats: 6.2% (7 seats) Green Party: 5.3% (6 seats) Lefts: 2.8% (no seats) Saxony-Anhalt: Christian Democrats: 29.8% (30 seats) Alternative for Germany: 24.2% (24 seats) Lefts: 16.3% (17 seats) Social Democrats: 10.6% (11 seats) Green Party: 5.2% (5 seats) Liberal Democrats: 4.9% (no seats) while these results make finding governments for those federal states difficult they nevertheless offer more political alternatives. the stunning results for the AFD though, especially in Saxony-Anhalt, gives cause for worrying as to tactics: I would not put it beyond Trump to come up with something similar as the Reichstagsbrand to blacken those he is against. for those who are not familiar with the scenario: the burning of the Berlin Reichstag was ascribed to a Dutch communist, Marinus van der Lubbe, though in reality the SA was behind it
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 05:33 |
lazland wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
Trump has his own bullies. they should wear brown shirts like the SA (Sturmabteilung, Hitler's gang for the dirty workl who were responsible for the Reichstagsbrand (Reichstag fire) and the Kristallnacht (crystal night)
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Jean, you are an intelligent person, but this is a vastly silly post.
Trump is many, many things. He is not, though, a Nazi, and to call the vast majority of his followers such is to completely and utterly misunderstand them and their motives. This is absolutely typical of the liberal left, who, the older I get, the more I loathe and mistrust.
When will the metropolitan establishment begin to realise that it is they who have created the conditions in which a Trump flourishes?
Clinton will likely win this election, and all "decent" and "caring" folk, across the world, will breath a sigh of relief, spout on forums such as this just what a good thing it is that liberal values, democracy, and equality are safe in her hands. The trouble is that Clinton will not change one fundamental thing in America, not one jot. The lot of the ordinary working class American will not change at all, and her election will make a future "Trump" far more, not less, likely. |
Spot on regarding Hillary, IMO. Trump is starting to scare me now, I must admit, but the prospect of a Clinton Whitehouse is scary also for different reasons. I actually think she would be a bigger threat to world peace than Trump, whereas Trump will be more of a threat to global economics and could possibly spark a civil war in the US along lines of race, which would no doubt be catalysed and stoked by liberal and conservative media alike. Trumps apparent pledge to reverse globalisation and "Take America back" sounds fantastic to those who don't know how things really work. There is a global framework within which all governments must operate. This is defined by trade agreements, and rules laid down by the UN and related bodies. Optimists call this "co-operation" and "regulation" Pessimists often refer to it as "The New World Order" Ultimately it doesn't matter what it is. It's how things are done and if there is going to be a challenge to the system it needs to come from a unified liberal/libertarian global counter movement, not defined by people like Trump. The revolution needs to be intellectual and not populist. IMO.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 09:59 |
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Trump remeinds me of a Trey Parker / Matt Stone concept of South Park, like Eric Cartman.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 13:13 |
BaldJean wrote:
... it should not be used as an argument for voting for the first black or the first woman. but: there have been 43 presidents before Obama, and they were all white males. heck, have there ever been female candidates at all before Clinton? the symbolic value of "first black" or "first woman" must not be underestimated.
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Aw come on, of course there have been, even minority ones. I remember Shirley Chisholm (black), Bella Abzug (Russian Jew), Barbara Jordan (black and a lesbian), and Patsy Mink (Japanese American) all running back in the 1970s.
There were quite a few female candidates even prior to 1920, when they could run for office but not vote. One of the founders of Swarthmore College was a candidate in the early 1800s (Lucretia Mott), she has a monument at the school - I've jogged past it a few times when visiting there. She was also an ordained minister, something that was almost unheard of at the time.
I grew up in Montana in the U.S. and we were taught about Jeanette Rankin in school (child of immigrants and widely assumed to have been a lesbian). She was the first woman elected to the U.S. Congress, representing Montana at a time (1916) when women in Montana could vote but women nationwide could not. She served several terms and was a strong antiwar and pro-civil rights advocate who has quite a few parks and schools named after her today.
You are definitely correct in saying the symbolism of the first woman president is significant. I just don't personally feel Hillary Clinton has the character to bear that standard.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 13:51 |
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I loathe Trump and Clinton (both not good people), but given the execrable choice, I would still choose Clinton. I think the Nazi comparisons with Trump and his supporters are not far-fetched. Of course Trump, as I never thought Jean was claiming, is not a Nazi (his son-in-law is Jewish and Ivanka converted to Judaism, and Eric Trump married a Jew). Trump has expressed his admiration for dictators and strong-arm tactics, and is acting as a demagogue in his provoking/ agitating people, stirring up the worst, and appealing to people's prejudices.
I so wish Bernie Sanders was doing better, would also be best for Canada in that he, I think, has the most in common with Justin Trudeau. I could understand concerns form Americans that Sanders would not be tough enough. Of course tough gut Trump thinks he's a wimp. I'd choose the reasonable, gentle man over the vitriolic bully.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 14:01 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
... it should not be used as an argument for voting for the first black or the first woman. but: there have been 43 presidents before Obama, and they were all white males. heck, have there ever been female candidates at all before Clinton? the symbolic value of "first black" or "first woman" must not be underestimated.
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Aw come on, of course there have been, even minority ones. I remember Shirley Chisholm (black), Bella Abzug (Russian Jew), Barbara Jordan (black and a lesbian), and Patsy Mink (Japanese American) all running back in the 1970s.
There were quite a few female candidates even prior to 1920, when they could run for office but not vote. One of the founders of Swarthmore College was a candidate in the early 1800s (Lucretia Mott), she has a monument at the school - I've jogged past it a few times when visiting there. She was also an ordained minister, something that was almost unheard of at the time.
I grew up in Montana in the U.S. and we were taught about Jeanette Rankin in school (child of immigrants and widely assumed to have been a lesbian). She was the first woman elected to the U.S. Congress, representing Montana at a time (1916) when women in Montana could vote but women nationwide could not. She served several terms and was a strong antiwar and pro-civil rights advocate who has quite a few parks and schools named after her today.
You are definitely correct in saying the symbolism of the first woman president is significant. I just don't personally feel Hillary Clinton has the character to bear that standard. |
those were all internal party nominees. but neither of them made it to the final presidential elections. Clinton would be the first
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An Obituary for Marco Rubio:
Well, many didn't, but I saw this coming from a mile away. You were the GOP establishment's champion, a politician who rode the tides of spilt tea and have the opinions to go with it but still willing to kowtow to the generally saner big boys. And your ethnicity was a nice plus. But you weren't ready. Your whole political career has been one long fall up, until tonight when gravity remembered you existed. One of the laziest voting records in Congress, and, my God, you were sloppier than a Half Japanese album. You didn't know what to make of the campaign trail - forget hairpiece, you probably would've drowned in a fair fight. First there was that night the needle started skipping in New Hampshire, then there were the flustered and limp attempts to parrot and return fire against the combover. You've always been in over your head, and its finally caught up to you.
Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy post at some conservative think tank. |
hah... I don't suppose you lifted that from someone else. One of the best political eulogies I ever remember reading actually. your parents better be proud of you man. If you were my son... I'd damn sure be.  I love your way with words man.  Let me guess... plan on being a writer some day?
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 16:22 |
JJLehto wrote:
Oh, I have also been a big supporter of a multi party system. Never imagined in my life it'd ever happen, but I kind of wonder if 2016 is the very beginning. GOP seems incapable of holding itself together, and now has a 2nd fissure to deal with. The Democrats are facing this rising progressive wing, and while I think they are better equipped to deal with it, there are deep establishment issues growing, especially over the role of $ in politics.
I personally would love a Social Democracy party (the progressive faction as its called here) and I could see 4-5 legitimate parties forming in the US. The lines are being drawn right now. But I'm tired and getting ahead of myself. This has been a fascinating campaign, to cap a fascinating time in US politics in general. Wonder where things go from here.
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Personally I've love to see it myself. However I think hell will freeze over before it ever happens here. As far as this campaign. It really has fascinating, to see those fractures, fissures as you call them in both parties. The moreso of course in the GOP which has teetering on the edge for the last several election cycles with a bankrurpt ideology and nothing left to run on but fear, division and conflict. It will interesting to see how Republican party emerges from this, and if what form it does. It would almost be worth the cost of admission to see Trump win to see him utterly destroy the Republican Party as we have known it.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 16:26 |
micky wrote:
LearsFool wrote:
An Obituary for Marco Rubio:
Well, many didn't, but I saw this coming from a mile away. You were the GOP establishment's champion, a politician who rode the tides of spilt tea and have the opinions to go with it but still willing to kowtow to the generally saner big boys. And your ethnicity was a nice plus. But you weren't ready. Your whole political career has been one long fall up, until tonight when gravity remembered you existed. One of the laziest voting records in Congress, and, my God, you were sloppier than a Half Japanese album. You didn't know what to make of the campaign trail - forget hairpiece, you probably would've drowned in a fair fight. First there was that night the needle started skipping in New Hampshire, then there were the flustered and limp attempts to parrot and return fire against the combover. You've always been in over your head, and its finally caught up to you.
Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy post at some conservative think tank. |
hah... I don't suppose you lifted that from someone else. One of the best political eulogies I ever remember reading actually.
your parents better be proud of you man. If you were my son... I'd damn sure be.
I love your way with words man. Let me guess... plan on being a writer some day?
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Hell, Shakespeare would be proud to have him as a son. A fitting obituary from one of drama's wisest fools.
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Posted: March 16 2016 at 16:27 |
micky wrote:
LearsFool wrote:
An Obituary for Marco Rubio:
Well, many didn't, but I saw this coming from a mile away. You were the GOP establishment's champion, a politician who rode the tides of spilt tea and have the opinions to go with it but still willing to kowtow to the generally saner big boys. And your ethnicity was a nice plus. But you weren't ready. Your whole political career has been one long fall up, until tonight when gravity remembered you existed. One of the laziest voting records in Congress, and, my God, you were sloppier than a Half Japanese album. You didn't know what to make of the campaign trail - forget hairpiece, you probably would've drowned in a fair fight. First there was that night the needle started skipping in New Hampshire, then there were the flustered and limp attempts to parrot and return fire against the combover. You've always been in over your head, and its finally caught up to you.
Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy post at some conservative think tank. |
hah... I don't suppose you lifted that from someone else. One of the best political eulogies I ever remember reading actually.
your parents better be proud of you man. If you were my son... I'd damn sure be.
I love your way with words man. Let me guess... plan on being a writer some day?
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Thanks, Mick. I'm more than open to becoming a writer of some sort. I've been focusing on musical pursuits for a while now - I'm studying audio engineering in all its forms, and I've been kicking around various ideas for tracks and albums - but I'm up for whatever as long as it's creative. I'm not going to let myself go to waste, that's for sure.
And yes, my parents are very proud of me.
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It will interesting to see how Republican party emerges from this, and if what form it does. It would almost be worth the cost of admission to see Trump win to see him utterly destroy the Republican Party as we have known it.
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At this point, Trump causing damage to the GOP is inevitable. Either he leads them on a triumphant return to '64 as their nominee, or he is shuttered out of Cleveland and embarks on a base splitting independent run. To what extent he will damage the party remains to be seen. Pass that popcorn.
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