American Politics the 2016 edition

A Person wrote: rushfan4 wrote: I was listening to the radio yesterday and the guy's comment was "you know how dumb the average American is and then you realize that half of the country is even dumber than that and that is why Donald Trump is receiving so many votes." George Carlin?

That does sound like something that he said, but no, this was the afternoon talk show host that came on after the Tigers' exhibition game ended.  I was too lazy to get up and turn the radio off, so I listened to him for about 15 minutes or so before finally shutting it off so I could listen to music.

emigre80 wrote: garfunkel wrote: There are plenty of people on both sides who have no idea what's goin' on...   However, I do think that Democratic voters are overall better informed than Republican ones.

democrats may be informed, but Republicans are INFROMED.





Edited by zappaholic - March 03 2016 at 14:57

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver is also pretty good at skewering politicians, this weeks on Drumpf was spectacular.

It also a George Carlin quote if you ignore that last bit "and that is why Donald Trump..."

zappaholic wrote: emigre80 wrote: garfunkel wrote: There are plenty of people on both sides who have no idea what's goin' on...   However, I do think that Democratic voters are overall better informed than Republican ones. democrats may be informed, but Republicans are INFROMED.

lol when the best the establishment can come with is Romney to try to save the sinking ship.

as a pure political junkie.. absolutely fascinating to watch the complete disconnect between the establisment/elites and the rank and file.  Their attacks are pretty pretty much certain to strengthen Trump.. not weaken him. Again.. Romney wasn't the best choice.. then again that is the whole problem IMO with the G.O.P. The 'elder' statesman are not elder.. nor statesmen.. the best they have to offer for the Presidency are clowns and lunatics at best.. completely unfit to be a town mayor much less President at worst.. and topped off by an electorate completely off its rocker.

good times...

also.. suppose it is too good to be true but is 2016  the date they put on the tombstone of the religious right as a political movement?



Edited by micky - March 03 2016 at 19:45

LearsFool wrote: micky wrote: also.. suppose it is too good to be true but is 2016  the date they put on the tombstone of the religious right as a political movement? Well, the religious right has a habit of making like a busybody Lazarus every time people try to chisel their epitaph, but some commentators point to the inability of right-wing clergy to get their flocks to reject Trump and vote for Cruz and Carson in SC and many of the Super Tuesday states as their death knell. Could simply mean that the power of the religious right is swinging from the clergy to the lay, though.

hmmm... excellent notion and perhaps more indicative of the larger realignment the Republican Party is standing on the precise of. A seismic power shift.

I could buy that.. if one could give one plausible reason why the religious right would support Trump over those like Cruz and Rubio that are just as dismissive of the notion of keeping ones religions the f**k out of politics as they are

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: I would love to write off the right but it can't happen until the left run both houses and the presidency, ain't gonna happen.

I threw Raff completely off by not being as dismissive as she is of Trump. He won't win.. but if he did..

short time bad... perhaps very bad.. but we survived Bush.. we'd survive him. I do think Trump dwarf Bush in simply grey matter and while he'd be a Berluscionish clown.. he's smart enough to avoid the ideologically driven neo-con disaster that W gifted this country and took most of Obama's Presidency to try to fix.

however IF Trump won.. it would be the end of the Republican Party as we have known this current version. (since 1980). And that would not be such a bad thing.. but agree Ian.  It won't happen.. Trump is not going to win. Not that I am being dimssive of him.. what I am not dismissive of is the power of the Republican Party to preserve itself. It will sacrifice a winnable election in 2016 to see him go away and hope for 'status quo' to return in 2020.  They will not support him... thus risking not only losing which I do think they will do anyway the Presidency. Moderates aren't voting for him. But also losing the Senate.


Edited by micky - March 03 2016 at 20:53

perhaps I'm just guilty of giving those creeps more credit than they deserve.. after all these years of being played by their own party.. you would think they would recognize yet another Republican telling them what they want to hear..that they will cram their goddamned evangical morality down our throats using the power of the legislature....  then forgetting about it when they get to Washington.

oh wait.. perhaps that is exactly why they are supporting Trump.. and not the ones that the clergy are pushing who will just pay them lip service. Of course Trump is.. but it does seem Trump is on many levels destroying the way the political game has been played on the right.

Interesting times....

I can drink to that!