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Winter Tree could have still charted had they filled out the sound. Like when Annie sings "I'll go back there" and sustains the last word it kind of sounds flat. Backing vocals and/or more accompaniment would have helped. Even Warner Bros didn't help their production, seemingly.
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Man, I have The Winter Tree playing now and I forgot how much I loved this song. Should have charted better. I mean, it's just a folk pop song but the bass is so good and the chorus is inescapable really. As much as I love the output from 72-79, I feel like had they tried a more commercial approach earlier in the decade they might have made it big. By 1979 though an album like Azure d'Or appealed to very few listeners.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2016 at 01:37
Oh, if we are talking in general then yes a vast majority of their tracks sound better live than in the studio. Notably the Albert Hall performances of Novella tracks. Then on YT there's a Capitol theatre performance of Things I don't understand. Last year in Israel Annie sang Ocean Gypsy better than ever. Carpet of the sun is way better live etc etc.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2016 at 00:09
the studio version doesn't hold a candle to the live versions, especially the searing guitar part, just not a fit with the Renaissance sound. Even on ASFAS the electric guitar parts were more "symphonic".  I love the extended keyboard parts, and did love the bass parts in their day.  That's not something that has worn well with time, but there are some really great parts in it where you could almost imagine the same riff on banjo working quite well
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2016 at 23:39
Mixed views. On the one hand, Annie vocalising in place of the guitar solo works beautifully (less so in Carnegie Hall than say Ashbury Park, NJ 1979). On the other hand, turning one of their most soulful compositions into a showboat fest with extended keyboard and bass solos wasn't such a great idea.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2016 at 21:30
I was just listening to Ashes are Burning today (Carnegie Hall version), along a few other Renaissance songs and... well, I was wondering what you people think about the studio and the live versions of this song, given the long jamming segments on the live versions, and the absence of the guitar solo at the end... replaced by Annies vocalizations, etc.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2016 at 21:11
^very nice
of course their heyday pre dated the video era, but I wonder if they did any videos for Camera Camera or Timeline?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2016 at 06:42
Amazing that Renaissance put together their best music video after all their years, with limited resources compared to the days when they were on Warner Bros rolls.  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2016 at 23:07
next time I see her I will have to muster the courage to try to meet her
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2016 at 09:34
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

pfff.. amateurs..

a Renaissance appreciation thread... 3 pages now.. and not ONE picture of Annies feet.

For shame..

You are talking to a bunch of people (like Ken or Meltdowner) who have seen her in person and hence don't need photographs.  Wink


pfff..  I'm not a name dropper but we've met twice. She knows how I feel about her feet. Trust me LOL
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ahhhh.. Approve
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2016 at 09:03
Awww.   Too bad, here you go then! LOL


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Meltdowner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2016 at 08:32
^ Well, I didn't see her feet CryLOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2016 at 08:06
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

pfff.. amateurs..

a Renaissance appreciation thread... 3 pages now.. and not ONE picture of Annies feet.

For shame..

You are talking to a bunch of people (like Ken or Meltdowner) who have seen her in person and hence don't need photographs.  Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2016 at 08:05
Based on that 2 minute excerpt, I liked the arrangements while the singing was meh.  Kinda typical pop music type of singing.  It seems Stephanie didn't know the album was about the woman who stole away Betty Thatcher's lover.  Might have helped at least on this song because the pain didn't come through which Annie nailed on the Blessing in Disguise version. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2016 at 21:05
haha we have to be careful about your over zealous genuflection Micky
Re Camel, I think Stationary Traveller is a great example of  a prog group embracing the 80s while still being prog.  Brooding, morose and melodic, with plenty of great Latimer solos and good performances from members of Alan Parsons Project

Re Renaissance, I love the Adlington version of "Love Lies".  It's just a great song.  There are quite a few I like on that album, with "Somewhere west of here" being the one that sounds most like Renaissance, and is great.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2016 at 10:36
pfff.. amateurs..

a Renaissance appreciation thread... 3 pages now.. and not ONE picture of Annies feet.

For shame..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2016 at 22:42
It's a nice one though Annie's age kind of shows.  Jon Anderson was still singing that song better in live shows at around the same time as she recorded her version.  She should have attempted a few of those in the 70s maybe, when her voice was brighter and stronger in the fourth/fifth octaves.  Now, it's darker and stronger in the lower keys but Anderson sings in a female singer's range Tongue so that is useless.  Reaching Out, which she recorded in 77 for the short lived Intergalactic Touring Band, is a dead ringer for Jon Anderson - at least the verse.



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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Annie Haslam showing up on the most recent Yes tribute album performing Wondrous Stories (I believe) with Steve Howe. On second thought, it was Turn of the Century.


I have heard that version of "Turn of the Century", and it is very beautiful indeed. The main problem I find with it is that the keyboards are so much weaker, but Annie's singing was really wonderful... it would have been nice to hear her do more Yes songs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rednight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2016 at 12:14
Annie Haslam showing up on the most recent Yes tribute album performing Wondrous Stories (I believe) with Steve Howe. On second thought, it was Turn of the Century.

Edited by Rednight - January 15 2016 at 12:19
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