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Stephanie Adlington is a pretty good jazz singer.  It was quite brave of her to attempt the folk-classical repertoire of Annie Haslam, given she was bound to only land brickbats for the most part.
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A little tidbit here.  I have found the Stephanie Adlington version of Loves Lies Love Dies from The Other Woman.  Love Lies Love Dies was originally Dreammaker with lyrics by Jon Camp (unless I am mistaken).  Love Lies has lyrics by Thatcher.  It was also used by Annie Haslam for her solo album Blessing in Disguise.  This video has a verse and chorus each from each version.  

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I omitted to mention Nude.  Another 80s album that was pretty good.  I quite like 90125 though I know it is not an universal favourite to say the least.  Not 80s Genesis, notwithstanding their success, and certainly not 80s Renaissance.  Never heard Enchanted Caress. I guess Nevada is or was available on amazon.  

You can listen to Pictures in the Fire here:

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Well, I listened to Camel's Nude recently and I thought it was quite good - and I was very skeptical. And... um... I like a lot of the poppy albums from some 70s bands but in terms of 70s prog bands in the 80s making prog albums, it really is pretty dire. Plenty of albums from 80s bands, though.

On topic, I need that Nevada record so bad. Probably the last Renaissance thing I really want that I don't have yet. Enchanted Caress by Illusion really disappointed me when I finally got it though. One or two tracks worth it but I'm not surprised it never made it out the door.
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Yup, if only they had tried similar tones as on Nevada - either the Midwinter cover or Pictures in the fire (track). Still 80s but more 'timeless'.  I don't have a problem with the idea of wanting to do something different per se but it just came across as trying too hard to be different and sacrificing all their existing strengths at the altar of hipness. Even a good tune like Remember was ruined by Gosling's synths.  Not like KC's Discipline but then not a whole lot of 80s albums by 70s prog rock bands are that good.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

What is the Park West concert you speak of? I've got Carnegie and Dreams and Omens, plus two boots from 1976 and 1979 - John Tout actually uses a Mellotron in some spots on the latter recording.

is the video - it was a TV show on a local Chicago station

There is also a CD Live in Chicago 1983
According to rogerthat, a DVD was released in Japan

There is some debate as to whether they did the whole of Ashes are Burning or just the end part.  The concert was only 40 mins so maybe they did the whole thing plus other tracks, or maybe the concert had a series of local bands doing a 40 minute spot.  To me this is the best vocal on the closing to Ashes.  There is New Jersey one that may rival it in histrionics but with this one you can see Annie in action.


I thought so - not a bad concert, I quite like Camp's getup but the keyboards really kill it for me. I can't think of any band with a worse synth pallet than Renaissance in 1981/1983.
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there's actually a few good other performances in there, especially the sole track from Time Line, "Flight", is rather well done, as are some of the instrumental parts of Sheherazade and "Opening Out".
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True, the drums sound flat, but the playing style is the same, despite being a kid here Tongue
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Interesting observation there because when I first heard this concert, I was surprised at how flat, how 80s Harrison sounded here.  Maybe he just didn't have a choice and/or was too inexperienced.  He said he was expected to perform the drum parts of Scheherazade in the audition and he was the only one who had learnt the track in advance which is why he got the job.  Camp in his trademark style of gently condescending banter said Harrison was the last guy to audition and it's always the last one who gets the job. Tongue
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I knew it. I wasn't paying much attention to the video, but the drums reminded me too much of Porcupine Tree Tongue
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It is.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

What is the Park West concert you speak of? I've got Carnegie and Dreams and Omens, plus two boots from 1976 and 1979 - John Tout actually uses a Mellotron in some spots on the latter recording.

is the video - it was a TV show on a local Chicago station

There is also a CD Live in Chicago 1983
According to rogerthat, a DVD was released in Japan

There is some debate as to whether they did the whole of Ashes are Burning or just the end part.  The concert was only 40 mins so maybe they did the whole thing plus other tracks, or maybe the concert had a series of local bands doing a 40 minute spot.  To me this is the best vocal on the closing to Ashes.  There is New Jersey one that may rival it in histrionics but with this one you can see Annie in action.
Fantastic Smile Is that Gavin Harrison on drums? Big smile
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And this is the New Jersey performance that Ken mentioned.  Full performance and maybe a shade better than Chicago but pity about the video quality and the camera focuses on that rotating ball for the 'meat' of the performance though we do get to see Annie as she unleashes that vocalise from hell at just over 18:30 in the vid. 

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Re Park West, yeah skip right to the end for Ashes are burning because some of the stuff in between may not be too appetizing.  It seems odd that the version is abbreviated because they have always done a full and in fact extended performance of Ashes are burning from the 70s to the present day. More likely it was edited for TV.  Shame!
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

I suppose it's possible that they did play it, but the Annie backing Annie would have been a challenge.
I think it's a lovely song and, like the all music guy alluded to, it was appealing in ways that were mostly new for the group.  I have read some comparisons to Abba.  I actually quite like Abba TBH, but to me this doesn't sound like them.  More like something Heart would have done as a ballad

Yeah, I like ABBA too.  There are some Ren songs from that period - esp Bonjour Swansong and also ermm Electric Avenue - which evoke ABBA but not Closer than Yesterday for me.  Too pastoral to sound like ABBA.  In the whole multi-tracking/Annie over Annie harmonising phase they used to evoke Yes a lot more than they ever did ABBA but I guess Annie's timbre brings Agnetha to mind for some listeners in a loose sense like 'high pitched melodic female singing'.
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^^ In the joy created by the news I totally forgot to put a link. LOL

Man, how I envy you first world guys and your great concerts. Tongue
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Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

What is the Park West concert you speak of? I've got Carnegie and Dreams and Omens, plus two boots from 1976 and 1979 - John Tout actually uses a Mellotron in some spots on the latter recording.

is the video - it was a TV show on a local Chicago station

There is also a CD Live in Chicago 1983
According to rogerthat, a DVD was released in Japan

There is some debate as to whether they did the whole of Ashes are Burning or just the end part.  The concert was only 40 mins so maybe they did the whole thing plus other tracks, or maybe the concert had a series of local bands doing a 40 minute spot.  To me this is the best vocal on the closing to Ashes.  There is New Jersey one that may rival it in histrionics but with this one you can see Annie in action.


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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Renaissance AND Curved Air in the same concert!!!

My dream just come true!!! There is any good english soul that would give shelter to a desperate brazilian boy!?!?! Big smile

when and where is that happening?
https://www.facebook.com/RenaissanceTouring/photos/a.140075256032061.18953.138243849548535/1063500747022836/?type=3&theater
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Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Renaissance AND Curved Air in the same concert!!!

My dream just come true!!! There is any good english soul that would give shelter to a desperate brazilian boy!?!?! Big smile

when and where is that happening?
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Renaissance AND Curved Air in the same concert!!!

My dream just come true!!! There is any good english soul that would give shelter to a desperate brazilian boy!?!?! Big smile
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