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condor 
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 Topic: Why do you reject communism?Posted: January 13 2016 at 04:22 |
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I'd be interested to know..
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Tapfret
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 04:27 |
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I'm sure it's fine for some people. But me, I like girls.
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DDPascalDD
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 04:32 |
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I already missed the condor threads!
Perfect equality can't be achieved without a lot of resistance and problems that it would cause, 'cause men aren't perfectly equal. So I go for equality is undesireable. At least not hiw it's adapted in communism. Edited by DDPascalDD - January 13 2016 at 04:33 |
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GKR
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 04:52 |
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I dont.
 (and a lot of the reasons above are "false reasons", based on a misunderstanding on what comunism is.) |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 05:58 |
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Because it always becomes a dictatorship?
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Angelo
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 06:10 |
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I miss the option 'Why not?'
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progaardvark
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 07:26 |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 07:28 |
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It's a faded old bit. Not even Communists practice Communism anymore.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 07:51 |
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The problem with communism (an originally generous concept) is that it denies one fundamental aspect of humanity: individuality (the desire to stick out from the mass).
Well it becomes that way because there is usually strong opposition to the system, and some have different concept of solidarity. So to "enforce" communism, it becomes totalitarian, partly to make sure everyone participates.
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The T
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 08:23 |
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I don't oppose it per se. In fact I think Marxism and communist ideas have helped make the world a little less atrocious than if capitalism had never had any type of opposition.
But I think most people who oppose it see at what real-life communism was and think (probably justifiably so) that communism always degenerates into tyranny and empty shops and grey buildings. |
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dr wu23
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 09:08 |
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I'm certainly no expert on political systems but as I understand it there isn't any real Communism anywhere in the world today. What some countries have are various forms and degrees of socialistic dictatorships ruled by party elites. (And all the 'experts' on the board can correct me on this if needed.)
I suppose when people become more enlightened (not likely any time soon) then some form of true Communism might exist.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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zappaholic
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 09:59 |
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You need an option for "Cuz I'm 'MURICAN, dammit".
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Ozark Soundscape
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 11:00 |
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Cause basic income is better.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 12:12 |
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Because I seen:
a) Peru ruined because of Juan Velazco Alvarado b) 150,000 Peruvians die because of Shinning Path Don't this names: - Lenin - Stalin - Mao - Pol Pot - Castro - Che Guevara - Chavez - Maduro - Kim dinasty - Milosevic - Tito Make you think in something? Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 13 2016 at 12:13 |
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 12:34 |
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First, I am Hungarian born, so we tasted the 'finer' elements of Stalinism. Communism cannot possibly work unless its being enforced by a one-party system, that gives the ruling ELITE the easy road to corrupt, use and abuse IN THE NAME of the people.
Add Robespierre, Marat, Trotsky, Honecker, Rakosi and Ceaucescu to the shameful list. Though Marx was mostly espousing anti-capitalism , there should be no surprise that a real Communist 'utopia' has never existed nor will it. At least, not on our planet (LOL) . BTW, I was reading some studies on how Rome went from a 'republic' to an empire , which is why Caesar was killed, among other reasons.
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Intruder
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 13:56 |
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Communism has grand roots but its branches spoiled the tree....Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Tito - the idea of the vanguard of the proletariat was basically the splice that downed Communism. It gutted the premise and promise of equality - I mean, when a select few deem themselves to be the torchbearers of any political ideal, then the next step is Fascism or Dictatorship.
Perhaps true Communism is a pipe dream, but I'll never let go of the ideal that a brotherhood of man built on an equality and mutual respect/love is not only possible but marks the start of our true potential....our evolution to something higher than the materialist capitalism that has spread and locked in on our political and social landscape. What a drag!
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 14:56 |
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I'm secretly a member of 14 different political parties that have ties to communism (and only 8 are strictly totalitarian).
Edited by Man With Hat - January 13 2016 at 14:57 |
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micky
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 15:01 |
 I've said of communism... great in theory..the kind of system and world where it would be possible to work that we all could dream of.. but ruined by basic human nature to wield power, influence and violence upon his fellow man.. |
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Polymorphia
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 15:24 |
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Communism is like any other economic system. It says, even if only momentarily, to a certain group of people, "don't do this thing," and inevitably those people do that thing. Though the goal of communism is anarchy, it requires government for a time to redistribute resources, means of production, etc. Those governments inevitably end up abusing their power.
It's the same with capitalism and the rich. There's no real way to distribute responsibility equally as long as there is any system in place. Every system will inevitably fail at some point in some way. I don't reject communism so much as find myself uninterested, as it offers only a different set of solutions and problems than the economy in which I live. It makes more sense to me, to plug up holes in the levee, adapting the system instead of replacing it. That said, other systems in place tend to get in the way of any actual problem solving. I'm not very idealistic, am I?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 14 2016 at 03:08 |
You forgot Ortega and his Sandisnistas  I don't have much to hold against those I bolded out, especially in the light of the Fujimori, Stroessner, Somoza, Pinochet and another array of strongly anti-communist tyrants/dictators in Latin America ... or even Salazar and Franco in Europe. Most of those So-Am far-leftist leaders actually tried to include millions of humans that were left out from their own society - and not necessarily just Amerindians either. (not sure I would count Milosevic as a communist, though)
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