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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: January 07 2016 at 10:47 | ||
That would be hell....
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ISKC Rock Radio
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: January 07 2016 at 10:49 | ||
It's free for the artists, and they're streamed for 2 months. The site and its maintenance are paid for through donations and advertisements.
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ISKC Rock Radio
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: January 07 2016 at 10:54 | ||
672 posts on a forum is a lot, by some standards. Question is how many views these posts got. Depending on the forum section they're put in, and the time the are posted, they will be seen by more or fewer of the intended audience. A forum like this is, for a lot of people, not the first place they go looking for new music. That would also explain why Bandcamp itself (Where people do go for that reason) produces more hits on your music.
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ISKC Rock Radio
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Smurph
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
Posted: January 07 2016 at 11:37 | ||
Most of the music that I own I get off of bandcamp directly from artists for free, but I still spend more on music than most people with paying for engineering/etc.
I understand that music holds little value to the public so I don't expect things like success. I need to make my own favorite albums and nothing else. It really sucks that no one can make money off of it anymore. Most of my favorite musicians have to work day jobs... I guess in the end that slows down the creativity for the world. But I also think no one making money off of music weeds out the losers.
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17547 |
Posted: January 07 2016 at 12:56 | ||
Most musicians I have ever met, live on the edge ... but some that I have also met, have another edge, and while streaming may be a problem for some, it isn't for others! Fer crying out loud ... the likes of Dream Theater, Marillion and many other bands, ended up making their future off a lot of sharing of the music when they needed it. I am not an illegal dl'r and would not advise my friends to steal from our friends and the like, and my whole collection of LP's and CD's is all bought, baby ... all of it! And through out my life, I even lost my job because I said ... "love over gold" ... but in the end, I am proud of having stood up for the right situation, and the other folks ended up in the dumps deservedly so, for lying, cheating and the like.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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cstack3
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7281 |
Posted: January 07 2016 at 15:57 | ||
I agree with everything you said, Steve! Happy New Year!
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Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 07:02 | ||
Hi Angelo, you may recall that one particular thread we had a discussion on recently had over 2,300 views. I'm in IT sales and marketing as a day job, so take it as read that I know how to shift - well, software, at least. ;-) |
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Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 07:06 | ||
Hi Smurph, I don't know if that's quite the right interpretation. If we say "No one at all will make any money off music, full stop" - which is becoming the case, with the exception of a tiny, tiny, tiny few people, all of whom are producing commercial music.... that doesn't weed out the losers. It weeds out everyone. Supply and demand then kicks in as musicians..... stop bothering. To assume people will keep creating music which coincides with your (and my) particular niche market tastes when there is zero money in it and nothing but continual rip offs..... is pretty much a big assumption. ;-) |
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Smurph
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 08:59 | ||
Hi Smurph, I don't know if that's quite the right interpretation. If we say "No one at all will make any money off music, full stop" - which is becoming the case, with the exception of a tiny, tiny, tiny few people, all of whom are producing commercial music.... that doesn't weed out the losers. It weeds out everyone. Supply and demand then kicks in as musicians..... stop bothering. To assume people will keep creating music which coincides with your (and my) particular niche market tastes when there is zero money in it and nothing but continual rip offs..... is pretty much a big assumption. ;-) Why would a musician stop bothering just because there is no money? Some people have a need to create that goes far beyond what any other human cares about. If everyone on the planet died, I would have to spend a lot more time surviving but I would still create albums. I would rather not listen to a musician that would give up so easily.
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Komandant Shamal
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 02 2015 Location: Yugoslavia Status: Offline Points: 954 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 10:18 | ||
Why would a musician stop bothering just because there is no money? Some people have a need to create that goes far beyond what any other human cares about. If everyone on the planet died, I would have to spend a lot more time surviving but I would still create albums.
I would rather not listen to a musician that would give up so easily. [/QUOTE]
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Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 11:17 | ||
No, no, gentlemen, that attitude stinks and it represents what's happening in the music world. People seem to have forgotten it's *a two way relationship*.
Fans support bands Bands play for fans And that's what's wrong with the modern music scene. If you expect someone to do something for you *for free and as a favour* then you can't really complain if they don't. A fan, simply put, is someone who supports a band. Not someone who just likes the music. Compliments are very nice but essentially, try eating them. I'm just as happy to play with like minded musicians in a practice room.
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Meltdowner
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 25 2013 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 10238 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 11:31 | ||
I saw this yesterday, it reminded me of this conversation.
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Smurph
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 12:30 | ||
This attitude might stink to you but all I'm doing is responding to the way the world is. We can't make people think that music has value. My response is to keep making music anyway until I die. I'd be happy to hand out a free album to anyone that personally asked for it. I'd also give 1$ to anyone that would be willing to sit down and listen to one of my albums with their eyes closed and headphones on, focusing on nothing else. If someone would film video of themselves doing that (make sure I can hear the bleed from the headphones being super loud), then write even a scathing review, and I'd send someone 1 dollar. I value my own art more than ANYONE will ever value it. I would bet you money that I couldn't pay most people to focus and care about what I do. And I'm fine with that. It sucks, but I've accepted how little value music has anymore. I'm contributing to the devaluing of music because I'd rather die than stop making albums. I can't seem to understand people that seem to think that they have value. We have no value. Every Tom, Dick, and Jane is an "artist" or "musician" now. Our insignificance is insurmountable. There is nothing we can do. In fact, most of the music I make is not a favor to anyone. In fact, I would say that its existence is more of a burden on the world than it is a positive thing. But I have to do it or else.
I agree that artists should be paid but how can we change the shifting group think of mass culture? Edited by Smurph - January 08 2016 at 12:47 |
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HackettFan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 18:54 | ||
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HackettFan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 19:12 | ||
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Komandant Shamal
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 02 2015 Location: Yugoslavia Status: Offline Points: 954 |
Posted: January 08 2016 at 21:09 | ||
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Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: January 09 2016 at 05:34 | ||
God, have you been hornswoggled or what ?
"Word of a true artist" - well. I release a lot of music for free. I give away a lot of albums for free. I'm not bothered about the money, it's not the primary concern. Hardly even a concern, in fact. What I AM bothered about is being ripped off. Nor do I want to rip anyone off. Music should be presented at a fair price to fans who should SUPPORT bands by buying it at a fair price. Dream Theater recently released a 4 CD set for $129. That is a total and utter rip off. Festival tickets are a complete rip off, too. Why do bands do it ? Well, in most cases, it's the management doing it - and if, frankly, Joe Public won't pay money for music, bands will get their own back by charging them more to attend a concert. The attitude of "Oh, I can't afford it, I won't pay for it" is what's brought us down to this mess. What's really meant is "Oh, I can get away without paying for it". Or. "What personally suits my circumstances is right". Wrong, totally wrong. Why has it become socially acceptable to not pay for music and to imagine that "proper" bands will keep on playing for nothing, buy equipment, buy studio time, go on tour, with no income ? Get real. |
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Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: January 09 2016 at 05:39 | ||
PS Meltdowner, I love that graphic. ;-)
Apologies if I sound ... irritated by the idea that I should play for nothing or I'm not "a true artist". I wonder why that is ? In the interim, I'll resist the temptation to double the price of all my Bandcamp releases, based on the idea that I'm doing specialist music for a limited market. Which is something a lot of bands could do - want specialised music ? Pay a fortune. "You may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb". Suppose I'm a cabinet maker. I go off and make a fantastic table out of flame maple. It takes me months - after taking years to learn all the skills and a fortune investing in the tools. Someone says, wow, nice table. I can't afford it. Give it to me. Same logic. Oh yes, if I say, "no", then I'm apparently not a master cabinet maker. Also, if I ask 32 million for it, I'm ripping a potential buyer off. Fair price for the goods, fair deal for the cabinet maker, fair deal for the buyer. Suppose no one buys. Eventually, all the cabinet makers say "No money in this" and go off and flip burgers. It takes me 10 months of all my spare time and money to make an album. That's more time than it would take to make a cabinet. The logic is VERY simple.
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O666
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
Posted: January 09 2016 at 08:34 | ||
Hi. We (Iranians) can't pay for music in internet! I don't know why?! Paypal or Visa or ... don't support Iran country! It's so outrageous that a nation deprived to buy music in internet. Is it reasonable?! |
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Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: January 09 2016 at 08:56 | ||
I do sympathise, but, by that logic, all goods on the internet should be free to Iranians who can't buy by Paypal. And that seems very .... wrong. ;-)
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