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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 18:43
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Was it George Carlin or Dawkins who said that religion should be confined to one's bedroom (or something along those lines)?  I vehemently disagreed with that statement the first time I heard it but increasingly I think it makes sense.  If indeed religion is so personal it should not be brought to the public domain.  
In think religion is a social activity more than a personal one, you will never be able to leave it just in the bedroom. 

If it is a social activity then people need to learn to get along and overcome their differences instead of pretending one God is better and the very presence of followers of another God is intolerable.  While that sounds paranoid, that is exactly where new young recruits of ISIS are coming from, to give just one example.  Just the other day, a cleric here in India was saying it is inconceivable to give women same status as men (as in, getting educated and going to work) in Islam.  Either these guys don't want to learn or they are too paranoid about losing their core constituency.  At any rate, this nonsense of preaching hate and discrimination in the name of God has gone on for too long and has to stop.  We can no longer look askance from the elephant in the room that is organised religion.  Colour me cynical but I no longer believe religious heads mean well.  Whenever there are hate killings, say even small domestic riots, they stay silent for far too long which tantamounts to condoning such acts.  They  never speak up until the temperature has gone up too much.  If they cannot stop seeing themselves as competitors in the marketplace of believers, the rest of the world needs to come together and put paid to their nonsense.  Sorry if this sounds caustic but between hardline Hindus at home and ISIS in the world at large, I am really getting fed up of all this religion nonsense being tolerated as being something 'deeply personal'.  Yeah, so that's exactly right, if it is so personal, keep it within the four walls of your home.
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Speaking of the refugee crisis, political capitalization continues as Dumbo Trumpo decided it was time to one up Jeb's "We should only allow Christian refugees" comment by declaring we should simply ban all muslims from entering the US. 
Disturbing there's still more than a few people who eat this stuff up. 
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

No hugs.................This narcissistic search for outlets for our tenderness has increased a million-fold with the dawn of the internet, when not only can we gawp at more images of destitute, destroyed kids, but we can republish them too, signalling our virtue and emotional sensitivity. But showing dead kids is, in my mind, emotionally insensitive. It can be cruel and unnecessary. It’s the victory of the visceral over the rational. And we really need a rational debate about the migrant crisis, rather than people holding up a dead-child snuff photo and saying: ‘I cried, therefore I’m good.’

The rational debate has been flawed since the days of Plato. I agree that we should be rational about solving our issues, and avoid letting emotions rule our actions (which leads to impulsiveness at times where that is not a good idea). However the rational approach has long ago been brought to the point where people become numbers, on papyrus, on paper or in spreadsheets. That's how we run companies, and countries. It's also why no distinction is made between the individuals behind the numbers. That makes all muslims bad, all catholic priests pedophiles, all South Americans corrupt and all Spaniards lazy and all refugees fortune-hunters.
In other contexts, it makes half of our children dumb or stupid, because they don't fit an educational system that is rationally set up to be efficient and cheap for the educational institutions, not the ones being educated.

We can't have a rational debate without taking into account the emotional side, and from my point of view, the photos that you dismiss here as being a vehicle to make people feel good about themselves also serve the purpose of making our managers and policymakers realise again that it's not always, and not only about the numbers.

Glad you nuanced your statement a bit by what you added later. Goodnight.
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well... I have one thing to say about the day's events here at PA's.  LOL




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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Of course we are peace. Kati, I have seen every one of the pics posted and they tug at the heart strings, I just do not want to see them over and over.
I know and understand what you are saying and mean too, I agree with what you say and I too had a hard difficult time to look that pic up and post it too. I did not want to do that and it still affects me.
Thank you for understanding, Timothy xxxx Hug
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Of course we are peace. Kati, I have seen every one of the pics posted and they tug at the heart strings, I just do not want to see them over and over.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 13:34
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Thanks for leaving it up to me whether I want to see this^
It has always been up to you, also Timothy, I never meant to offend you when all this started, I swear, let's leave it in peace please?
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Thanks for leaving it up to me whether I want to see this^
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 13:29
here is the other one who made an impact to the world and people started to react. Little girl and vulture waiting for her to die.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Posting pictures of dead children is not compassion.
it brings compassion just like that baby in Africa starving to death while a vulture was waiting for him to die and like that little girl running naked on the street after the Hiroshima atom bomb, this all affected the world those images.   

you are probably referring to this photo:

you are a bit mistaken about the origin of that photo thouigh. it was taken at Trang Bang after the dropping of a napalm bomb during the Vietnam war
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 13:21
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Posting pictures of dead children is not compassion.
it brings compassion just like that baby in Africa starving to death while a vulture was waiting for him to die and like that little girl running naked on the street after the Hiroshima atom bomb, this all affected the world those images.   

you are probably referring to this photo:

you are a bit mistaken about the origin of that photo thouigh. it was taken at Trang Bang after the dropping of a napalm bomb during the Vietnam war


Edited by BaldJean - December 09 2015 at 13:25


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Moral pornography............
You Sir are very sick and twisted to say something like that..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 12:59
we are discussing the reality here and people's lives, it's not some kind of fiction movie. Stay away from this forum topic, or shut your eyes on actual reality that is happening around us.
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Moral pornography............
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your ignorance is not bliss it's very cruel and selfish.
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No hugs.................This narcissistic search for outlets for our tenderness has increased a million-fold with the dawn of the internet, when not only can we gawp at more images of destitute, destroyed kids, but we can republish them too, signalling our virtue and emotional sensitivity. But showing dead kids is, in my mind, emotionally insensitive. It can be cruel and unnecessary. It’s the victory of the visceral over the rational. And we really need a rational debate about the migrant crisis, rather than people holding up a dead-child snuff photo and saying: ‘I cried, therefore I’m good.’

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 12:53
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Posting pictures of dead children is not compassion.
it brings compassion just like that baby in Africa starving to death while a vulture was waiting for him to die and like that little girl running naked on the street after the Hiroshima atom bomb, this all affected the world those images.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 12:51
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Calling people ignorant reeks of compassion.
Calling someone ignorant or narrow minded is an honest opinion and has no relation whatsoever to compassion. Good or bad.
Your point in all this what's your final hypothesis? I am not about to chit chat here for nothing.
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Posting pictures of dead children is not compassion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2015 at 12:49
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Calling people ignorant reeks of compassion.
Calling someone ignorant or narrow minded is an honest opinion and has no relation whatsoever to compassion. Good or bad.
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