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Kati 
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 Posted: November 14 2015 at 18:34 |
 Matthew _Gill wrote:
There's been 5,000 signatures in the last 5 minutes so it is being treated as a serious concern.
R.I.P. all those in Paris who sadly lost their lives in the latest Islamist attack on Western society.
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This is frickin' hate speech!!! I will have nothing to do with this, except speak my peace. Most of Isis f***in' murderers, especially the leaders, come from Europe not Middle-East. This is ridiculous and ignorant, shame on all who think this is right! Ok now I am finished.
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Kati
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 18:35 |
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This does not belong here on P.A. !!! f.it!
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Kati
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 18:39 |
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We have many members on here from the middle east, also many who are Western European etc. of Muslim Religion, how would you feel if you were in their shoes right now with a post like this?
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Kati
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 18:42 |
Edited by Kati - November 15 2015 at 05:18
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 01:31 |
Matthew _Gill wrote:
Bloody hell, 233,000 signatures, it seems to be getting signed 10 times per second. Pretty significant occurrence imo.
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It's not significant at all. If you surveyed everyone in the UK and asked them do they want to bring back hanging, millions would say 'Yes' but no government would ever re-instate it. It's not about what the people want. it's about what the establishment feels it needs to do, and the policy of "encouraged" multiculturalism is a cross party initiative. Those who oppose it are on the lunatic fringe of the parties.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 01:32 |
Kati wrote:
Matthew _Gill wrote:
There's been 5,000 signatures in the last 5 minutes so it is being treated as a serious concern.
R.I.P. all those in Paris who sadly lost their lives in the latest Islamist attack on Western society.
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This is frickin' hate speech!!! I will have nothing to do with this, except speak my peace. Most of Isis f***in' murderers, especially the leaders, come from Europe not Middle-East. This is ridiculous and ignorant, shame on all who think this is right! Ok now I am finished. |
Why is it hate speech?
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Kati
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 02:08 |
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This forum topic should be closed, Admins please? This discussion won't benefit anyone on here.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 02:34 |
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^^^ Can you give examples of hate speech in the thread???
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Kati
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 02:38 |
Blacksword wrote:
^^^ Can you give examples of hate speech in the thread??? |
Blacksword, it's not the comments on the thread, it's the post itself, with that I think I gave enough reasons as to why it does not belong on P.A.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 03:07 |
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Ok, can you point out the hate speech in his post??
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Mascodagama
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 03:49 |
Matthew _Gill wrote:
French Police Appeasement - Muslims can kill but you're not allowed to protest until next Thursday! I thought child grooming protecting Rotherham Police were bad!!! |
You know what, a large number of the French police were on the streets of Paris on Friday night risking their lives to try and save people. You might want to think about that before taking cheap shots at them from the safety of your armchair. And, while I'm here, I want to say that the evident glee with which you are using this tragedy to make political capital with the bodies barely cold yet turns my stomach.
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Dean
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 04:32 |
Matthew _Gill wrote:
Islamism/Extremism can lead to terrorism. That said even moderate Muslims can be radicalised overnight, hence why it's imperative Euro nations close their borders.
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Current UK immigration/asylum controls allowed 216 refugees to enter the country between June 2014 and June 2015, 166 of those were from Syria, our [vain]glorious leader has said that he would grant asylum to 20,000 refugees over the next five years. Not all of those refugees will be from Syria and not all of those will be muslim. Even if we assume that most of them will be, then that amounts to less than 0.7% of the 2.79 million muslims who live in the UK. Let us remember that not all muslims are islamists, not all islamists are extremists, not all extremists are terrorists.
Whether the total muslim demographic is 2,786,635 or 2,806,635 actually makes very little difference to the people who advocate closing the borders. Last week the people who would have signed the petition to close the UK borders would have been right-wing, anti-muslim extremists, today the signatories are "moderates" who have been "radicalised" by the fear that an obscene act of terrorism could occur here. While I will happily wave the tricolour in support of the peoples of France shaken by an obscene act of terrorism, I will also stand along-side the muslims of this and every other country who are as horrified and appalled by this atrocity as the non-muslim of the world is. What I can never do is sign this reactionary xenophobic petition.
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Kati
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 05:30 |
Blacksword wrote:
Ok, can you point out the hate speech in his post?? |
I think it's insensitive to post that on here, there are other mediums and social network groups that you could do that. If you can't see/realize that, I don't have anything further to say to you.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 06:03 |
Kati wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Ok, can you point out the hate speech in his post?? |
I think it's insensitive to post that on here, there are other mediums and social network groups that you could do that. If you can't see/realize that, I don't have anything further to say to you. |
I don't agree with what he said but it's a million miles from what one might call 'hate speech' on account of the fact there was nothing hateful stated. Simples.
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Kati
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 06:10 |
Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits. ~ American Bar Association
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Vompatti
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 06:17 |
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Any speech will offend someone.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 06:20 |
Kati wrote:
<span ="st" -hveid="58">Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits. ~ American Bar Association </span> |
Other traits... So if I criticised your favourite band and you were offended would you count that as 'hate speech' because you were offended? None of us have the right to not be offended.
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Matthew _Gill
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 06:22 |
Kati wrote:
Matthew _Gill wrote:
There's been 5,000 signatures in the last 5 minutes so it is being treated as a serious concern.
R.I.P. all those in Paris who sadly lost their lives in the latest Islamist attack on Western society.
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This is frickin' hate speech!!! I will have nothing to do with this, except speak my peace. Most of Isis f***in' murderers, especially the leaders, come from Europe not Middle-East. This is ridiculous and ignorant, shame on all who think this is right! Ok now I am finished. |
I thought it was ok to hate terrorists? Your language directed at them is far worse than mine.
315,000 votes now, I think the mass media will pick up on it soon.
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The T
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 10:24 |
Kati wrote:
Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits. ~ American Bar Association |
But Kati, here is the US is where it's most difficult to use the hate speech figure to stop speech (and that's the one thing I always will agree with libertarians).
I have attacked the petition in the OP and the blatant racism and xenophobia that has suddenly emerged here in PA but closing this thread makes no sense. It's not abusive per Se.
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Kati
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 10:32 |
Matthew _Gill wrote:
Kati wrote:
Matthew _Gill wrote:
There's been 5,000 signatures in the last 5 minutes so it is being treated as a serious concern.
R.I.P. all those in Paris who sadly lost their lives in the latest Islamist attack on Western society.
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This is frickin' hate speech!!! I will have nothing to do with this, except speak my peace. Most of Isis f***in' murderers, especially the leaders, come from Europe not Middle-East. This is ridiculous and ignorant, shame on all who think this is right! Ok now I am finished. |
I thought it was ok to hate terrorists? Your language directed at them is far worse than mine.
315,000 votes now, I think the mass media will pick up on it soon. |
"Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated." seriously? Do I have to go into detail how wrong that is? People are running away from them, they have nowhere to go, don't you think they want to return to their homes? Little children, so many innocent people victims of horrific war crimes, what happened to compassion? I have no problem with adding more restrictions to immigration policies but this petition is ridiculous. Classifying a minority group as a whole is wrong, has history not told us anything? These immigrants are not here for economic gain either, they have nowhere to go, they lost everything and seen things I wouldn't wish on anyone. Please think of those who have are in dire need of a kind hand right now?
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