LGBTA Thread

RayRo wrote: This is not a perfect world, but laws do keep most people from doing whatever they want to. Do you agree?

Nope. Besides the laws that cover "Don't kill", "don't steal", and "don't speed" most people don't know what other laws exist until they break them. It's not law that guide us, it's consequence. And consequences aren't always covered by laws alone.

Being a good person is not something that laws or government can ever, ever shape into being. They can establish the equality between people only as it relates to the bureaucracy. They can't dictate or direct human nature.

Guldbamsen wrote: Last summer I attended this gay club called 'Cosy' together with some friends of mine. We often go there because of the fantastic clientele. No such thing as an unmemorable conversation in that place...and none of us are gay.  So on this particular night we thought it'd be the perfect ending to an insanely fun day, and boy were we right!  We find a table overlooking the dancefloor - order beers and drinks - and almost immediately we see this beautiful Asian girl dancing on our right. Fast forward two weeks. Cosy, a little earlier this time. I'm ordering tequila in the bar, and right there on my left she is! We do a little chit-chat before she leans in and says 'you know I'm trans right?'. 'What?'  I had absolutely no idea! I instantly feel good about not finding out the hard way. We both laugh about it and there were no bad feelings whatsoever. I still talk to her and consider her a good friend. (Yes her)

I just caught the Anthony Bourdain show where he's in Tokyo, or maybe Singapore, and the trannies are drop-dead gorgeous.  'Course the old bulge 'n tuck was sometimes a giveaway but they do a damn fine job.

Definitely!  Although, I believe some people feel more insecure than others, are looking for unneeded attention and more protection, but it doesn't exist.

The basic idea of the laws (idealistic thinking, of course) is to prevent something that already happen to happen again.

If hate crimes and discrimination exists as a rule, you have to establish something to revert this "natural" tendency.

Otherwise, a false simetry could be made: "Everyone is equal, so we dont need a law to protect gay people".

Ok, I can agree with that. I just don't think the ordinance (for example, the one in Houston mentioned earlier in the thread) necessarily solves the real problem. A law doesn't keep people from doing something, it just allows a punishment.

No.  Some folks believe that if there is an ordinance that "makes" everyone accept everyone, then racism, sexism and whatever other nonsense will go away.  Safe spaces for everyone!

There will always be issues with transgendered people because lots of people think the whole idea is ridiculous.  How can laws change a person's perception and why should it anyway? 

Sidenote. What are your thoughts about the parents that see a MILD change in their YOUNG child's behavior and start dressing them up as a girl/boy and manipulating them into something they're not? 

GKR wrote: ^ I know, and I dont even want to have such a monopoly... I was just stating the reality... Sorry if sound repetitive.

You're not repetitive at all. This is something that I think that you fear may happen to you also.

Edited by RayRo - November 09 2015 at 15:42

GKR wrote: ^ In Brazil, we have almost daily news on beating and murder of trangender and transsexual people. But there is a visibility now on this issue that are "awaking" people of this nightmare of hate.

I've never been to Brazil and I know that any sort of crime rate is higher there than in the US, but we have nothing but hate crimes here, it seems.

A Person wrote: RayRo wrote: But the so called "unisex bathroom provision" was only a fixation point presented by Huston conservatives in order to derail a broad LGBT equal rights bill that would have guaranteed anti discrimination rights to the local LGBT community in areas such as career advancement, expanded health coverage protection for transsexuals, etc. All forms of discrimination are important to address but arguing over bathrooms is a lot less important than healthcare, employment, housing issues. I've seen numbers like 40% of all homeless youth being LGBT, it's crazy.

You are absolutely right, but the Conservatives caused the general publics' attention to be focused on this ridiculous "unisex bathroom" argument, and I'm afraid to say that they succeeded in diverting the focus away from the more important issues of healthcare, employment, housing, etc.But it's not over yet. We will regroup and handle this differently in the very near future. We'll be prepared.