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 Posted: November 09 2015 at 11:06 |
 Smurph wrote:
I figured that women would have more problems with unisex toilets because I remember in high school going in the girls bathroom a couple times cause no one was at school and it actually smelled good and was super clean. It's almost like all those stories were true. The girl's restroom is a magical place that doesn't have pee all over the floor and doesn't smell like a rotting raccoon carcass. |
Almost all posts I've read on the internet by people who've had to clean bathrooms say the womens restrooms are worse by far in most cases. Peeing on the seat seems really common, explanations from girls seem to be that out of fear of sitting in pee, they will hover over the toilet seat, causing the exact thing they fear. It might be anecdotal at best, but my sisters are definitely bigger slobs in the bathroom than any of my brothers. In any case, I would be happy with unisex bathrooms and think it is really detrimental to everyone to hold onto ideas such as "men are pigs/disgusting/perverts/etc".
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 11:19 |
The T wrote:
^^Exactly Dean, just to expand on your comment, if you're going to have unisex toilette, by god make them truly closed rooms without any low or high openings and without the usual idiotic empty space between stalls that make going to public restrooms quite the opposite to a private experience 
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Well, if you ever gone to the men restrooms in the National Stadium of Perú, it's obvious men are pigs, the restroom starts like 50 meters before the door, because it's all wet by urine.
I read an article (In Spanish) http://www.abc.es/madrid/20140131/abci-aseos-unisex-madrid-polemica-201401302100.html
And it says that maintaining clean is a problem, this guys used to clean men restrooms two tines a day (it will be dirty in 30 minutes), and women restrooms once a day (They are always clean), but since restrooms are unisex, the have to clean them every hour, because women (with reason), complain.
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I am in favour of unisex toilets but for exactly the same reasons you object to them, [though like Steve, I take exception at being tagged as "dirty by nature"]. |
I am very clean, because my sister and mother lived with me since I was a kid until was about 20, and since my father died, my mother lives with me and my girlfrend, so i'm used to be considerate, but I seen public restrooms, the difference between a men and women restroom is incredible.
Dean wrote:
[Frankly if you don't want someone of the opposite sex seeing/hearing/smelling what you are doing then perhaps consider that some people of the same sex don't want to see/hear/smell you doing it either...]. |
Frankly, I hate to use public restrooms, last month I went to Dominican Republic for a week vacation, and noticed I didn't use the hotel bath until the third day, but when you are sick, you have to go anywhere.
I don't like men or women listening or smelling around, but honestly, I feel even more uncomfortable with women around.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 09 2015 at 11:24
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 11:24 |
Last summer I attended this gay club called 'Cosy' together with some friends of mine. We often go there because of the fantastic clientele. No such thing as an unmemorable conversation in that place...and none of us are gay. So on this particular night we thought it'd be the perfect ending to an insanely fun day, and boy were we right!
We find a table overlooking the dancefloor - order beers and drinks - and almost immediately we see this beautiful Asian girl dancing on our right. My friends start talking about getting her drinks but first they'll wait to see who she dances with, because "what if she's into chicks man?!?!?" - in the meantime I've resurrected my dangly drunk body and lunged myself onto the dancefloor with strange salsa moves that noone ever will successfully duplicate. The next 20 minutes or so are somewhat hazy but I remember suddenly stumbling into this house of a man almost making him drop his large green top hat, and then being pulled back by someone. I turn around and there she is. She kisses me and it feels like we make out for about an hour. I have to pee. Quick toilet. Drinks - and a swift hello to the boys. The boys are all unbelievably jealous and can't believe how a drunk pirate like myself ever got to be with the most beautiful girl in the club.....who by then sadly is missing. Feck!!!
Fast forward two weeks. Cosy, a little earlier this time. I'm ordering tequila in the bar, and right there on my left she is! We do a little chit-chat before she leans in and says 'you know I'm trans right?'. 'What?' I had absolutely no idea! I instantly feel good about not finding out the hard way. We both laugh about it and there were no bad feelings whatsoever. I still talk to her and consider her a good friend. (Yes her)
Now while I saw, and still see, this as a unorthodoxly great and funny experience, there were still a couple of my friends who went all white in their faces and looked mere seconds away from puking. One even got angry and had to leave. I often think about that night and what might've happened if my friends and I had been exchanged for say a small builder's guild.
Edited by Guldbamsen - November 09 2015 at 12:31
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Vompatti
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 14:02 |
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i wouldt mind grils peeing on my seat
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 14:34 |
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If BBQ grills are known for anything, It's pleasant pee.
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RayRo
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:07 |
I don't mean to disrupt an interesting topic for a conversation, as I like to have fun too. But the so called "unisex bathroom provision" was only a fixation point presented by Huston conservatives in order to derail a broad LGBT equal rights bill that would have guaranteed anti discrimination rights to the local LGBT community in areas such as career advancement, expanded health coverage protection for transsexuals, etc. My apologies. I'm not used to posting to a broad audience and I will take greater pains to make sure that all readers know the details more clearly. Anyway, on with the show! 
Edited by RayRo - November 09 2015 at 16:12
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A Person
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:16 |
RayRo wrote:
But the so called "unisex bathroom provision" was only a fixation point presented by Huston conservatives in order to derail a broad LGBT equal rights bill that would have guaranteed anti discrimination rights to the local LGBT community in areas such as career advancement, expanded health coverage protection for transsexuals, etc. |
All forms of discrimination are important to address but arguing over bathrooms is a lot less important than healthcare, employment, housing issues. I've seen numbers like 40% of all homeless youth being LGBT, it's crazy.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:18 |
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There are some stereotypical questions or remarks Jean and I are often confronted with, mostly by men, but sometimes by women too. One of them is. "Who is the man in your relationship"? This question is based on the wrong assumption that there always is one person who takes the role of "man" in a lesbian relationship. Now while there are couples in which this is the case it usually is not.
Another is "don't you miss the dick"? No, I don't.
Closely related are remarks like "you just never had sex with a real man". This usually means "You just never had sex with me". No, I haven't and I am glad about it.
Another is "You don't look like a lesbian" or, even worse, "But you look good" . Listen, just because I am a lesbian does not mean I am an ugly hag
One of the worst asked by a man is "Can I join you in a threesome?". A variant of that is "Can I watch you two?", probably in the hope that he might join.
Another stupid question is "How do you do it"? Use your imagination.
A question asked by men and women is: "How do you know you are a lesbian"? I usually ask back: "How do you know you are heterosexual"?
These are just some of the stupid questions and remarks we get. I could list a lot more.
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Well, my favorite Lesbian couple, Brigitte and Venecia, are both attractive woman who work in the business world in what I would describe as mid level jobs and share many of the same complaints. The major difference is that Venecia is an African American woman and she gets the most outrageous things said to her. For example: "How could you be a lesbian, you're black!" Or "I've never heard of black people being gay!" Some guy even said that she was lying to him in order not to hurt his feelings when he asked her out. The male ego! So just when you think you've heard it all, there's always more. LOL
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:19 |
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But the sneaky Republicans used the bathroom issue to create fear (as they are very good at doing) and managed to get the anti-discrimination bill defeated. Yes, the bathroom issue is relatively unimportant. Yet the stupid people of TX were manipulated into believing it was THE issue at hand.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:21 |
A Person wrote:
RayRo wrote:
But the so called "unisex bathroom provision" was only a fixation point presented by Huston conservatives in order to derail a broad LGBT equal rights bill that would have guaranteed anti discrimination rights to the local LGBT community in areas such as career advancement, expanded health coverage protection for transsexuals, etc. |
All forms of discrimination are important to address but arguing over bathrooms is a lot less important than healthcare, employment, housing issues. I've seen numbers like 40% of all homeless youth being LGBT, it's crazy.
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And the murders.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:23 |
Yeah those are particularly disturbing, being a black trans woman is basically a death sentence :\
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RayRo
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:24 |
A Person wrote:
RayRo wrote:
But the so called "unisex bathroom provision" was only a fixation point presented by Huston conservatives in order to derail a broad LGBT equal rights bill that would have guaranteed anti discrimination rights to the local LGBT community in areas such as career advancement, expanded health coverage protection for transsexuals, etc. |
All forms of discrimination are important to address but arguing over bathrooms is a lot less important than healthcare, employment, housing issues. I've seen numbers like 40% of all homeless youth being LGBT, it's crazy.
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You are absolutely right, but the Conservatives caused the general publics' attention to be focused on this ridiculous "unisex bathroom" argument, and I'm afraid to say that they succeeded in diverting the focus away from the more important issues of healthcare, employment, housing, etc. But it's not over yet. We will regroup and handle this differently in the very near future. We'll be prepared.
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:25 |
^ In Brazil, we have almost daily news on beating and murder of trangender and transsexual people.
But there is a visibility now on this issue that are "awaking" people of this nightmare of hate.
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RayRo
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:32 |
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^ In Brazil, we have almost daily news on beating and murder of trangender and transsexual people.
But there is a visibility now on this issue that are "awaking" people of this nightmare of hate. |
I've never been to Brazil and I know that any sort of crime rate is higher there than in the US, but we have nothing but hate crimes here, it seems. It may not be the gang of backstreet hoodlums that stalk, beat and then murder a gay, lesbian or transgender person, but we have people that walk into churches and schools with automatic weapons and kill hundreds of innocent kids and adults. No country has a monopoly on hate.
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GKR
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:33 |
^ I know, and I dont even want to have such a monopoly... I was just stating the reality...
Sorry if sound repetitive.
Edited by GKR - November 09 2015 at 15:34
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RayRo
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 15:41 |
GKR wrote:
^ I know, and I dont even want to have such a monopoly... I was just stating the reality...
Sorry if sound repetitive.
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You're not repetitive at all. This is something that I think that you fear may happen to you also. I have been the victim of a few physical attacks when I was a young teenager. A group of boys cornered me in a school yard and starting beating me with fists and sticks and then starting kicking me when I fell to the ground. I thought that I was going to die that day. But before they could finish me off, this heavyset bearded guy with one of his legs in a cast hobbled into the school yard and starting swinging his crutches at the kids who were beating me. He ran then off. Sometimes, it always doesn't turn out as bad as it could be because there's other noble people out in the world who are not afraid of some thugs.
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garfunkel
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 16:38 |
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There will always be issues with transgendered people because lots of people think the whole idea is ridiculous. How can laws change a person's perception and why should it anyway?
Sidenote. What are your thoughts about the parents that see a MILD change in their YOUNG child's behavior and start dressing them up as a girl/boy and manipulating them into something they're not?
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 16:54 |
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True, why have any laws. Someone will always disagree with them. Criminals don't pay attention to laws anyway. Abolish all laws I say!
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garfunkel
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Posted: November 09 2015 at 17:24 |
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No. Some folks believe that if there is an ordinance that "makes" everyone accept everyone, then racism, sexism and whatever other nonsense will go away. Safe spaces for everyone!
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