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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Well, you certainly misspelled "wave" as "waive". I would not mind at all if all men "waived" their cocks. However, the further existence of mankind would be endangered then unless a method is found to have two merged female egg cells not rejected by the body. Oh, and men will die out then; from two merged egg-cells only female offspring can come. ![]() Edited by BaldFriede - November 06 2015 at 04:53 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Yup - that's dyslexia for you. Now I have to correct it because you have pointed it out, however I have done it in such away as not to hide my embarrassment or affliction.
I have nothing against genetically modified humans per se. It's an interesting topic. So while I appreciate the humour and will respond with a similar ![]() There are two possibilities for female-female propagation: If the embryo was created artificially If the genetic modification resulted in a sustainable means of asexual/hermaphrodite reproduction then the result would be a new species (Storm Constantine explored this in her Wraeththu series of novels) so could not be regarded as human, mankind or homo sapiens sapiens. We would not be able to regard this new species as female even if it was created from "XX" chromosome data. As this speciation would result in both species co-existing and interbreeding between the two would be impossible then which of them would become the dominant species is a matter of conjecture, but if homo sapiens sapiens males died out then so would their females. Edited by Dean - November 06 2015 at 07:27 |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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well, maybe the exception in the first scenario could be avoided somehow so that second and all following generations would be able to procreate that way too
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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How? Maybes and somehows will not result in a self-sustaining species capable of natural procreation therefore will always require artificial propagation. This is not procreation or reproduction but propagation. If, as I speculated, a new sex-determinate chromosome mutated naturally from a fragile "X" chromosome then the resulting offspring would not be female but (let's say) newmale - to be regarded as a sex-determinate chromosome that would have to be able to procreate with a female and the resulting offspring would be either female or newmale, and again following generations would only result from female-newmale procreation. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Well, the artificial merging of egg cells would have to remain unless things ahppen as they later will in our reotic story. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Speculative fiction is a great way of exploring the 'emotional' (for want of a better umbrella term) aspects and therefore the biology does not need to be viable, it only needs to be conveyed in a way that is not distractingly unbelievable (as opposed to believable). I once wrote a short story where an ephemeral mated with a mortal and realigned the gender of its corporal form after sensing the sexual emotions of the mortal - rationalising of the biology of that was unnecessary because it was fantasy fiction not science or speculative fiction.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Yes.
In answer to the troll a few pages ago who was basically saying "oh liberals LOLOL I laugh at you instead of these bills educate children" I want to say that we live in a REAL world. In the REAL world some people do a very sh*tty job of educating their children so to protect other people there are laws and bills written that address issues, if very imperfectly sometimes. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Especially since "Education? Wazzat? Gimme that reefer"seems to be quite a common attitude. |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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^And those are the parents...
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tbonson04 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2014 Location: 7th Circle Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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This isn't a liberal or conservative issue. To think it is means you haven't thought too far into the issue. The issue is addressing the civil protections given by a governing entity based on the sovereignty of its citizens. If the government wants to tax our asses and make us conform to laws, then it damn well better protect its citizens, in this case the LGBT minority, from discrimination. Just like the transgender community can't control their sexual identity, they can't control the poor upbringing and subsequent poor views of the prejudice population. It's the government's responsibility. That is exactly what they are there for.
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Pastmaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 23 2015 Location: Spiderwood Farm Status: Offline Points: 1774 |
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I realize it isn't a liberal or conservative issue, I was only agreeing with the poster who said they don't understand liberals. Like I said, you can't please everyone, and logically I'd think you would want to please as many people as you can instead of just a small group of people. That's why I think uni-sex restrooms pretty much solve any problems, that way men or women who are uncomfortable sharing a restroom with someone who's biologically the opposite sex can feel comfortable, and trans people don't have to go into the restroom of their biological sex.
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tbonson04 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2014 Location: 7th Circle Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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That is the very heart of the debate (pleasing the majority or protecting the minority). However, the constitution is written with a specific purpose to protect the minority. If the founding fathers wanted to please the majority they would have created an all in Democracy. They feared the minority being snuffed out by majority fears and misinformation. Anyway, there may be a solution coming that alleviates both sides' needs. Like the great coked-up King said, "Can't we all just get along?"
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Smurph ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
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Ok but I don't want to share a bathroom with anyone at all, and im not getting that...
Also, i can't figure out why it matters which bathroom anyone uses at all. We all pee and poo. |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Online Points: 13795 |
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How dare you, Sir. Our beloved Queen most certainly never indulges in such base actions ![]() Edited by lazland - November 06 2015 at 13:00 |
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RayRo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 171 |
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I'm not downplaying that many Gays and Lesbians are the victims of hate crimes and discrimination, as I have my own personal experiences with those two issues. I just wanted to extend my support to transsexual and transgender persons, simply because I know what it's like to feel confused, alone and frustrated at times. I had the choice to come forward with my sexually, but I never had to suffer the frustration of not having the financial means to change my sex. Keep the faith and know that I care.
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
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RayRo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 171 |
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^You have a chance to learn something new today.
![]() Treatment issuesIn 1980, the American Psychiatric Association added gender identity disorder to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). While controversial, this was seen as a way to ensure that transgender people had access to care. In a nod to progress, the next DSM will replace "gender identity disorder" with "gender dysphoria" as a diagnosis. The shift underscores that being transgender is not a disorder in itself: Treatment only is considered for transgender people who experience gender dysphoria — a feeling of intense distress that one's body is not consistent with the gender he or she feels they are, explains Walter Bockting, PhD, a clinical psychologist and co-director of the LGBT Health Initiative at Columbia University Medical Center. Physicians usually require that any transgender client who wants a medical intervention be assessed first by a mental health provider. A letter may be requested stating that the client's mental health would improve from a gender transition. "Over the last two to three years, a number of medical associations have made statements about the medical necessity of transitional care for transgender people," says dickey. While still somewhat stigmatizing, a diagnosis of gender dysphoria ensures that more services for transgender people will be covered by health insurers. It is standard practice to treat the client for any psychiatric conditions that might be present before starting a medical transition. After that, medical treatment may include hormone therapy to diminish unwanted secondary-sex characteristics and produce or enhance secondary-sex characteristics of the desired gender. A 2011 study led by Colt Meier, a psychology doctoral candidate at the University of Houston (Journal of Gay & Lesbian Mental Health) showed that hormone therapy was associated with lower levels of depression, anxiety and stress, as well as increased quality of life in a sample of more than 400 transgender men. In addition to hormone therapy, transgender people may opt for surgery to alter breasts, genitalia or other sexual characteristics. Other transgender people may choose a "social transition" that involves only cosmetic changes in dress, grooming or name, for instance, and no medical intervention. Psychologists help clients in transition by providing guidance on how to pace the process through small steps so as to make adjustments easier for themselves and the people they live and work with, Bockting says. He stresses the benefit of linking transgender clients to support groups or online communities where they can learn from others who have taken the same journey. Providing resources and counsel to families to help them understand and accept a transgender relative ultimately benefits the client, too, he adds. Other clients appreciate a therapist's help in navigating the frustrating barriers of changing a name and identity documents after a transition, he says. APA is developing guidelines for practitioners who treat transgender and gender nonconforming clients — work being led by APA's Div. 44 (Society for the Psychological Study of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Issues) and the APA Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns. A joint task force, co-chaired by dickey and Anneliese Singh, PhD, an associate professor at the University of Georgia, is expected to complete the guidelines in 2014. Practitioners can also reference guidelines published by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health: Standards of Care for the Health of Transsexual, Transgender, and Gender Nonconforming People. The psychology of stigmaDespite the signs of more acceptance for transgender people, many studies show that they continue to face significant challenges. Research by Aaron T. Norton and Greg M. Herek, PhD, at University of California, Davis, for example, found that the rejection transgender people encounter is significantly harsher than the negative attitudes experienced by lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) people (Sex Roles: A Journal of Research, 2012). A 2009 study by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network also found that transgender students face much higher levels of harassment and violence than LGB students. In an effort to better understand the transgender community, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) launched a study on the state of health of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people. This 2011 report, The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People: Building a Foundation for Better Understanding, found high rates of substance abuse, attempted suicide and HIV infection among other problems in transgender adults. The report concluded that the marginalization of transgender people from society is having a devastating effect on their physical and mental health. A similar conclusion was reached by the 2011 Injustice at Every Turn, survey of nearly 6,450 transgender and gender nonconforming people conducted by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. It found that as many as 63 percent of respondents experienced some form of discrimination due to bias about their gender identity, including the loss of a job, bullying and even physical and sexual assault. As many as 41 percent of respondents reported they had attempted suicide — a rate 25 times higher than that of the general population. In a study now in press in the American Journal of Public Health, Bockting found that half of the transgender women and a third of the transgender men surveyed said they struggle with depression from the stigma, shame and isolation caused by how others treat them. Anxiety was a significant problem for them, too. People who were the youngest and least educated, and those from rural areas had the most psychological distress. Other research led by Andrea L. Roberts, PhD, suggests that being gender-nonconforming (while not necessarily the same as transgender) puts children at higher risk for physical, psychological and sexual abuse and for post-traumatic stress disorder later on (Pediatrics, 2012). Looking aheadWhat can help prevent such psychological consequences? One approach is providing resources and counseling to families to help them understand and accept a transgender relative. Bockting's research shows that family acceptance — along with peer support and identity pride — are strong predictors of resilience for transgender people (American Journal of Public Health, in press). Psychologists can play a supporting role as an educator or advocate in the client's school or workplace as well. "A transgender person's experience can be better because of five minutes the therapist spends consulting with a client's employer to smooth out problems," says Meier. More research is essential, too. The 2011 IOM report highlighted the need for more data collection and research into the specific concerns of transgender people, including teens, older adults, and racial and ethnic subpopulations. Based on his research, Bockting believes that developing interventions focused on increasing family and peer support can be instrumental in buffering the effects of stigma that transgender people face. The authors of the Pediatrics study also want to see research on family interventions that can reduce the high risk for abuse faced by gender nonconforming children. APA is also working to foster more acceptance, says Clinton Anderson, PhD, who directs APA's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Concerns Office. APA's Task Force on Gender Identity, Gender Variance and Intersex Conditions began its efforts by conducting a survey on transgender, transsexual and intersex issues. Most of the transgender inquiries APA receives come from schools, which need reliable information on transgender issues for school personnel. "Schools have had to create policies and action plans for their transgender students without any clear guidance," Anderson says. Getting better access to health care is a major issue for the transgender community, especially in reducing HIV risk, says Bockting. In the 2011 Injustice at Every Turn survey, 19 percent of respondents said they were denied medical care because of their gender identity and half of those surveyed had to teach their medical providers about transgender health care. The IOM report also identified the lack of culturally competent health care by providers as an obstacle in getting better care for transgender people. The University of Houston's Meier, who has been working with transgender youth at the Montrose Center in Texas, is hopeful that as more clinical trials show the benefits of treatment for transgender persons, insurers will step up to provide adequate care for this community. He'd like to see longitudinal research that follows children from the first disclosure of being transgender through the effects of all related decisions made thereafter. Specifically, research needs to address how helpful various medical interventions are in improving the mental health and well-being of transgender people. "While we still have far to go, we have learned not to oversimplify what being transgender means," says Bockting. Eve Glicksman is a writer in the Washington, D.C., area.Edited by RayRo - November 07 2015 at 09:49 |
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tbonson04 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2014 Location: 7th Circle Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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A paper about one patient from 1996 is nowhere near an accurate representation of an entire culture. Nice try though. At least you're trying to use evidence.
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I've never gotten that one either. I often use the men's restroom at concerts just because the lines are so much shorter. It's just a non-issue. |
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The thing is: you guys dont understand maybe, but the issue exist. What issue? Transgender people often are forbided of using the bathrooms that correspond to theirs sexual identity. Thats it. The question now should be: Why are people unconfortable (Bald explain why when talk about showering, a bit diferent, but she got her point) and how we will solve this question. I have no easy answer, but we got to find a way... |
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