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SteveG
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Posted: September 22 2015 at 16:03 |
Dean wrote:
Donovan originally wrote Catch The Wind in 1964 when he was an impressionable 18 year old just starting to make a name for himself in the UK folk scene (Dylan would have been 23 and releasing his 4th studio album at that time).
The 1965 meeting of the two documented in Dont Look Back is now the stuff of legends (especially the exchange between them over "My Darling Tangerine Eyes"/"Mr Tambourine Man" that never made the final cut of the film), and no doubt resulted in the change of direction that Donovan undertook soon after.
I suspect that had circumstances been different the relationship between Dylan and Donovan would have been a fair bit warmer but the press taunting of Dylan over this new upstart seemed to get under his skin - though quite how Donovan's lightweight songs could ever be perceived as a threat is anyone's guess, perhaps he feared that Donovan's accessibility would dilute what he was doing.
Anyway, by the time Donovan released his second album Fairytale in late 1965, he was writing very un-Dylanesque little corkers like this gem:
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Dylan and Donavon were quite chummy when both performed at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival. And Donavon, despite his one Dylan clone song, was enthusiastically received by the 70,000 fans that attended the 3 day Newport Festival. By late '65 and early '66, Dylan purposely distanced from other folk and folk rock stars like Donavon, Pete Seeger, Phil Ochs et al. It's a shame because both Donavon and Dylan initially followed folk rock paths before Donavon went full on psych rock and Dylan went in a backwards direction that featured country/folk with his 1967 album John Wesley Harding.
Edited by SteveG - September 22 2015 at 16:09
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emigre80
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Posted: September 22 2015 at 18:08 |
Dean wrote:
Anyway, by the time Donovan released his second album Fairytale in late 1965, he was writing very un-Dylanesque little corkers like this gem:
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Judy Collins did a great cover of that song. (I was a folkie long before I became a proghead)
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Posted: September 22 2015 at 18:41 |
Dean wrote:
Donovan originally wrote Catch The Wind in 1964 when he was an impressionable 18 year old just starting to make a name for himself in the UK folk scene (Dylan would have been 23 and releasing his 4th studio album at that time).
The 1965 meeting of the two documented in Dont Look Back is now the stuff of legends (especially the exchange between them over "My Darling Tangerine Eyes"/"Mr Tambourine Man" that never made the final cut of the film), and no doubt resulted in the change of direction that Donovan undertook soon after.
I suspect that had circumstances been different the relationship between Dylan and Donovan would have been a fair bit warmer but the press taunting of Dylan over this new upstart seemed to get under his skin - though quite how Donovan's lightweight songs could ever be perceived as a threat is anyone's guess, perhaps he feared that Donovan's accessibility would dilute what he was doing.
Anyway, by the time Donovan released his second album Fairytale in late 1965, he was writing very un-Dylanesque little corkers like this gem:
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Intruder
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Posted: September 23 2015 at 09:31 |
The whole Dylan clone idea is preposterous - Dylan was a Seeger/Guthrie clone and Seeger/Guthrie were clones of other, more traditional folk singers. Much as I dig Dylan, Donovan wrote better melodies, utilized more diverse musical modes, and was overall just more hummable than Dylan. It's surprising how many heavies in the rock and jazz field have picked up on Donovan's melodies, everyone from Hubert Laws to the Allman Brothers. Yeah, his hippy-dippy lyrics are sometimes goofy, but the music....oooh la la.
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TeleStrat
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Posted: September 23 2015 at 09:50 |
I agree that "Dylan clone" is an unfair comparison. Personally I think the whole idea came from the similar song titles (Catch The Wind - Blowin' In The Wind) more than anything else. I think people that continued to follow Donovan's music quickly put that whole Dylan thing behind them.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 23 2015 at 09:51 |
Intruder wrote:
The whole Dylan clone idea is preposterous - Dylan was a Seeger/Guthrie clone and Seeger/Guthrie were clones of other, more traditional folk singers. Much as I dig Dylan, Donovan wrote better melodies, utilized more diverse musical modes, and was overall just more hummable than Dylan. It's surprising how many heavies in the rock and jazz field have picked up on Donovan's melodies, everyone from Hubert Laws to the Allman Brothers. Yeah, his hippy-dippy lyrics are sometimes goofy, but the music....oooh la la. |
No one, particularly me, would deny that Dylan was initially a Guthrie and Rambling Jack Elliot clone (not Seeger to be precise) before finding his own voice which owed more to blues than folk, believe it or not. As was stated many times, Donavon was never chastised about copping Dylan on Catch The Wind, and was tagged 'The British Dylan' by Billboard magazine and the tag was meant to be a compliment, not a putdown. The list of groups who admitted to Dylan's lyrical influencing aside from the Beatles also included the Stones with songs like Satisfaction and As Tears Go By, as well as many others. I think members are reading too much into the one off Dylan clone tag which, as I stated, only referred to his hit Catch The Wind and not to Colours and other charting songs that immediately followed.
Edited by SteveG - September 23 2015 at 09:52
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Intruder
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Posted: September 25 2015 at 10:16 |
The Dylan clone thing was a pretty heavy topic at the time, especially for Donovan and the others who were being put into that category. Remember the "Don't Look Back" movie where Dylan and Donovan meet and Donovan is given the cold shoulder....pretty shoddy treatment 'cause Donovan was considered a mere copycat. The tag has been given to most successful young songwriters of the time from Gordon Lightfoot and Loudon Wainwright to Paul Simon and Tim Buckley. None of these singers had much to do with Dylan outside of the fact that they sang acoustic folk music and often used electric accompaniment. Dylan's Self Portrait album was, at the time, panned mainly 'cause Dylan was trying to play copycat to those who he considered to have stolen from him. Critics and fans alike agreed that Dylan had put a sh*tty album out on spite just to show that his competitors wrote songs that just didn't stack up to his own. Dylan's blues were mainly talking blues at first, then he hitched onto more electric blues, probably influenced by bands like the Blues Project and Butterfield Blues Band. His "own" voice had its influences and they're pretty straightforward. Dylan didn't kick down any doors when he went electric, he simply found a new way to put his ideas to music.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 25 2015 at 13:46 |
^You're correct. Dylan did not kick open any doors, but he did legitimize the Byrds' cover of Mr. Tambourine Man and helped to shake the pop sticker off that song. He did firmly close a door, however, on the early sixties American folk revival and the result was Lightfoot, Don McLean and others went to a folk rock format, forsaking the solo acoustic guitar wielding 'folk singer' as an ideal. Forever more.
Edited by SteveG - September 25 2015 at 13:46
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 21:29 |
I'm also one of the older guys in this place and all kinds of things come to mind with Donovan -I was a teenager living in the Bay area during the height of those glorious 'Psychedelic 60's" - There was just so much happening on the musical landscape with other greats like The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Mamas & Papas, Hendrix, Buffalo Springfield, the British Invasion, and of course The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper & Magical Mystery Tour. But Donovan was one in particular caught my attention-"Catch the Wind" was the first of his songs I heard over the radio airwaves - Looking back or in retrospect, (And as already been mentioned), I agree it was more the music press & critics that made the Dylan comparison - At the time I really didn't hear it and besides I really didn't care much for Dylan - Donovan's rather blissful & surreal style (and at times nonsensical lyrics) was perfect for the time that added to the magic of that era. And I'm happy that his music is still sparking interest, revivals, and discovery. Other songs besides Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow my other favorites are Lalena, Epistle to Dippy, Jennifer-Juniper, There is a Mountain, and Atlantis -
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emigre80
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 21:45 |
Rando wrote:
Other songs besides Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow my other favorites are Lalena, Epistle to Dippy, Jennifer-Juniper, There is a Mountain, and Atlantis -
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I remember all those songs, and still enjoy them.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 16:03 |
Rando wrote:
I'm also one of the older guys in this place and all kinds of things come to mind with Donovan -I was a teenager living in the Bay area during the height of those glorious 'Psychedelic 60's" - There was just so much happening on the musical landscape with other greats like The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Mamas & Papas, Hendrix, Buffalo Springfield, the British Invasion, and of course The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper & Magical Mystery Tour.
But Donovan was one in particular caught my attention-"Catch the Wind" was the first of his songs I heard over the radio airwaves - Looking back or in retrospect, (And as already been mentioned), I agree it was more the music press & critics that made the Dylan comparison - At the time I really didn't hear it and besides I really didn't care much for Dylan -
Donovan's rather blissful & surreal style (and at times nonsensical lyrics) was perfect for the time that added to the magic of that era. And I'm happy that his music is still sparking interest, revivals, and discovery. Other songs besides Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow my other favorites are Lalena, Epistle to Dippy, Jennifer-Juniper, There is a Mountain, and Atlantis -
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Ah, the good old days!
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