Most overrated album No. 1

Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me. I have come to believe that most people that use the word do it as an opinion of their personal preferences as oposed to that of the majority, and not really wanting to imply that they are the ones that are right... however, I do prefer to avoid that word. As for this poll, I do like "Close to the Edge" as much as it's regarded, as well as "In the Court of the Crimson King". For me, "Dark Side of the Moon" isn't the best album from Pink Floyd, I much prefer "Wish you Were Here" and "Animals"... I even like "The Divison Bell" more, and I guess I would rate that album 3rd within the options of the poll... however, I do believe the concept and the flow of the album is brilliant, and as a cohesive whole it might be the better of the 4 albums (even from Pink Floyd)... it's just that I like the music from the other albums more. And Foxtrot would be the album that I like less... it's got one incredible song on Supper's Ready, some other really good ones (Time Table, The Coast Liners), one really annoying one (Get 'em out by Friday), and one frustrating one (Watcher of the Skies, for it's got a great intro, and the music is fine enough, but there's something, some kind of mechanical coldness, that just puts me off, still Hacket's live version on Tokyo Tapes is something I really like a lot). But would I dare say Foxtrot is overrated and there's something wrong with people who like "Take 'em out by Friday"... I feel that would be totally wrong of me, so I just say which ones I do like, how much I like them and why.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well?

I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more.

Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well? I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more.

Thriller is one of the greatest mastepieces of 80s without a doubt because 1) that passed the test of time due to the fact that Thriller is an album with the songs that are all amazing and still to sound fresh even today, 2) the album, released in early 80s (1982), so in the middle of New Wave histeria, was married the heritages of 70s Afro-American music' styles ( Funk, Soul and Disco ) with heritage of 70s Rock at the most succesfully way ever, regarding the mainstream; for example this song:

Edited by Svetonio - September 14 2015 at 01:31

Dellinger wrote: Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - September 14 2015 at 18:19

Dellinger wrote: Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me.

Is it arrogant to believe in your own opinion?

Is it possible to believe that a large number of people are mislead, manipulated, or conditioned into having certain beliefs?

North Korea is being portrayed as a country where the people are controlled, and most of what they say, believe or do, is under heavy manipulation from the government. Is it arrogant to say that the people of North Korea doesn't think for themselves because their ideas are controlled by the government?

I don't think North Korea is an exception. Opinions are most oftenly influenced by sources outside from the individual. And popular opinion is always changing.

So if I say "this song is overrated", being arrogant, and 10 years later the song is not popular anymore, I don't need to repeat "it is overrated" since popular opinion have changed. I can still say "it was overrated". But then someone could say "it wasn't overrated THEN".

Because "overrated" is always in relation to something, whatever you may think is relevant. According to the above example, the quality of music is in relation to the time when it is evaluated.

I don't see it like that. My latest opinion is the most valid for me. If I once appreciated an album and realized after a period of time that the album wasn't so good, I can establish that my original opinion wasn't fully developed. Would that be an insult to my previous self?

Most opinions are not fully mature, they are being influenced over time.

If you say "this album is overrated", you have an evaluation of popular opinion as well as of your own opinion. You can't know either one of them to a 100% accuracy. It's an estimation, but it can be more or less well grounded. And since it's a subject not dealing with facts, it is an opinion, not more or less.

+1 for Saper.

Svetonio wrote: Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well? I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more. Thriller is one of the greatest mastepieces of 80s without a doubt because 1) that passed the test of time due to the fact that Thriller is an album with the songs that are all amazing and still to sound fresh even today, 2) the album, released in early 80s (1982), so in the middle of New Wave histeria, was married the heritages of 70s Afro-American music' styles ( Funk, Soul and Disco ) with heritage of 70s Rock at the most succesfully way ever, regarding the mainstream; for example this song:

Just as I said, it's the personal opinion. For me it's only 3 or 4 songs on Thriller that I really enjoy, the rest just puts me to sleep... at best. Bad doesn't have so many boring songs... they are almost all at least enjoyable, or I do like them a lot... even among the ones that were not the classic hits from him... though I would have to listen to the album again to remember how much I liked it all.

Saperlipopette! wrote: Dellinger wrote: Once again, for me the word "overrated" implies that the person using that word believes he is right and the many more people who have a different opinion are wrong, which just seems arrogant to me.   I'm slowly getting that every complainer here thinks having such subjective opinions at all is usymphatetic. I have no problem entering a discussion thinking I'm right and you/they are wrong. I have no problem with others arguing from that point of view either. But I will sometimes try to change their minds. If implying that you're right and I'm wrong is arrogant by default you might as well consider it arrogant to think that you have the better understanding of "overrated" - and not allow yourself to post your subjective opinion of it here (as I do use overrated correctly according to the dictionary). How can you discuss art or anything at all? <span style="line-height: 1.4;">I think the communists and nazis are wrong and I'm right too. Doesn't seem very arrogant to me although communists and nazis would strongly disagree with me. There are more </span>religious<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> people than unreligous people in the world but the former group are still all wrong - that may be actually be a little arrogant but its still an opinion I won't hesitate to post.   </span>   Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well?   I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more. I do like Thriller quite a bit myself. I didn't choose an album I hate - I asked about another kind of album to get another angle. But I can see it isn't working. I could have chosen Aqua's Aquarium as its considered a eurodance classic by the eurodance connoisseurs but it probably wouldn't make any difference - Because who are you to imply that they are wrong and you are right, right?

No, at least I'm not thinking that having a subjective opinion is wrong (or unsympahetic or whatever), nor do I think most of the people that dislike the word "overrated" think so... as a matter of fact, the only opinions one can have are subjective ones, and at least as far as music taste goes, it would be just about impossible to have an objective opinion. For me the problem is assuming that your subjective opinion is right and the more popular opinions are wrong (though, as a matter of fact, that would leave us prog fans in a very precarious situation at believing that our prog music is better than disco, electronic, pop, rap, and whatever... but that's a slightly different topic). The thing is, you do like Thriller, Svetonio thinks it's a masterpiece, and I just don't understand the love it generally gets, except for the few songs I like... so I might say it is overrated and you would say (perhaps) that it deserves the praise it gets... and who's to say whom of us both is right. According to you, I can say I'm right and that album is not a good album and you are wrong at thinking it's good... but no, I just say I don't really like it as a whole and if you like it it's just as fine, there's no reason for me to state that you are wrong.

Now, of course, if you go to the point of saying that a madman dictator is wrong at killing everyone who doesn't fit his idea the right race, of course I agree with you, anyone doing massacres will be wrong and on that one there's no way to convince me otherwise. As for communists... I don't really think that either communists nor capitalists are entirely wrong, I rather think that it's the people that lead such ideologies, the people at the government, who are wrong when they abuse them and take advantage of their position for their own benefit.

Dellinger wrote: Svetonio wrote: Dellinger wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Floydoid wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Overrated means = Look at those idiots who love what I decided is mediocre. I couldn't agree more. You're such dullards. Is this what you think if or when someone talks about Michael Jackson's masterpiece Thriller as well? I don't really like "Thriller", nor is it a Masterpiece for me, but I couldn't really say that it's overrated, because there are so many more people who liked it than those who would call it overrated. Perhaps one could make a point for calling it overrated if we could compare out of those people who bought it at the time still like it / listen to it as opposed to those who bought albums like those in this poll, then you could say (if the results suported it) that the album sold well only because of marketing and not out of it's music quality. As far as that album is concerned, I do like the hit songs well enough, but it's got lots of... well, sort of pop ballads that are just too cheesy and I simply can't stand. As far as Michael Jackson is concerned, I liked the album "Bad" much more. Thriller is one of the greatest mastepieces of 80s without a doubt because 1) that passed the test of time due to the fact that Thriller is an album with the songs that are all amazing and still to sound fresh even today, 2) the album, released in early 80s (1982), so in the middle of New Wave histeria, was married the heritages of 70s Afro-American music' styles ( Funk, Soul and Disco ) with heritage of 70s Rock at the most succesfully way ever, regarding the mainstream; for example this song:                 Just as I said, it's the personal opinion. For me it's only 3 or 4 songs on Thriller that I really enjoy, the rest just puts me to sleep... at best. Bad doesn't have so many boring songs... they are almost all at least enjoyable, or I do like them a lot... even among the ones that were not the classic hits from him... though I would have to listen to the album again to remember how much I liked it all.

"Personal opinion" that Thriller  is the masterpiece of 80s mainstream!? lol. Give me a break.

Dellinger wrote: Now, of course, if you go to the point of saying that a madman dictator is wrong at killing everyone who doesn't fit his idea the right race, of course I agree with you, anyone doing massacres will be wrong and on that one there's no way to convince me otherwise. As for communists... I don't really think that either communists nor capitalists are entirely wrong, I rather think that it's the people that lead such ideologies, the people at the government, who are wrong when they abuse them and take advantage of their position for their own benefit.

Communism is overrated. I can see to a certain extent why it made sense among some westerners in the 1940's and possibly up to the 1970's but people should seriously know better in 2015. Believing that you are right should obviously be based on experience and knowledge. My experience and knowledge is what I trust whether it regards Aquarium, You're Under Arrest or madman dictators. They all suck in various degrees and anyone who disagrees with me are dead wrong.