The Black Codex (NL) for Symphonic Prog

Not as silly as others before me, e.g. "it's our call, if you don't like it, buy your site and do what you want, I don't have to answer you"

These our toys and you don't get to play with them, go buy your own!


http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/objectiveness


Edited by amatala - September 08 2015 at 09:45

Just to add my two penn'orth as a former New Bands Admin.
I'm listening to the first album now and from what I've heard so far I would have no objections to it being included in Symphonic Prog, however the decision belongs to Ivan and his team and not me. They have a vast amount of experience of their genre and it's a subjective thing so if they feel it doesn't belong, then chucking your toys out of the pram and resorting to abuse isn't going to help.

Padraic wrote: When referring to being objective in terms of independence or impartiality, one will almost always use objectivity as the noun, with subjectivity as its antonym. Objectiveness is a far less frequently used synonym, and one which not every dictionary recognizes. But I suppose MW supports you. Please enlighten me on how you think this site should be run.

 

I am not a native English speaker and this very spelling checker did not report Objectiveness as being wrong, but I will keep that in mind for the future.

As for the site, at the very least, there should be some way to make an appeal in cases like this when enough users think the respective team decision was wrong.

If this site cares for its users in any way, then the users should at least be heard and not cut off completely and rejected because they're not part of any team, and only the teams know what's right.

That does not mean that the users should be allowed to decide because that would mean chaos, but at least they should be able to vote and their votes should weigh something, similar to the way ratings are calculated.


Edited by amatala - September 08 2015 at 10:15

If it is vital for this project to be regarded as prog, their best call would be to send promos out to the big and/or influential prog sites, get it reviewed there, and if the verdict comes out as prog by them then there would be a reason for an appeal to give this one a second run.

Active user interaction on the build of the database isn't a solution I see as viable. For starters it would lead to some confused artist at some point sending new people in to the forums merely to vote them in here. As well as people making fake accounts to get their favorites in: There has been some crazy stuff going on in that department over the years instigated by people either bored, drunk, high or just mentally unstable. Sometimes by people dealing with a combination of several of these factors.

One might like or dislike the system here, but if one think it is failing: Create a new one. It's as simple as that really.

Voicing a dislike for a decision isn't uncalled for, but when the dead horse whipped is well beyond the point of smelling funny, why keep on going? Being the loudmouthed child yelling in the sandpit that "I want it this way" is generally an approach that comes with failure as the end result.

amatala wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: How are we ever to know where you're coming from? For all we know you could be a hip hop producer out of Brussels who's heard exactly three prog albums from the 70s. If that were the case, then it'd be a crazy move to include you in the decisions-making.  I never said you have to include me (or any user) in the decision making process. I was just suggesting a voting system where the votes would only be visible to the teams as guidelines. If enough users vote in a certain direction, then they may be onto something there... You know what they say: "If enough people tell you that you're drunk, then maybe you should go to bed!" And btw, I am a hip hop producer from Brussels, you got me there! Anyone recommend some good Prog?

Well, it's time to talk clear.

GeorgVoros wrote: Hi Ivan Thanks for the quick reply and taking the time to list a short review of the individual tracks. I see your reasoning and agree. :) I'm not too precious about the albums music to be unrealistic and stubborn.  I am happy that you recognized the underlying Prog element in For Johann as that track was recorded with a different approach. I do slightly disagree about the second track Trio Sonata as I think it has many Prog elements as well and hints more towards ELP than the Ventures - but that is the wonderful thing about opinions as they are personal. I respect what you have said. Yes, the rest of the album is more Classical Rock with perhaps some Prog elements here and there. For Johann by the way is just me and Duncan Mackay and will be the general direction of a collaborative album that we begin work on very soon. When this is released I look forward to what you think about it.  Thanks again for being objective and real. Keep well. Georg

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 08 2015 at 12:33

amatala wrote: The reason I did not want initially to have these albums added to Chris's page was because Chris stated that the correct artist name is The Black Codex, not Chris. Moreover, Chris is currently listed as Neo-prog and this project clearly is not Neo-prog, that much we can all agree upon. So I was hoping for a more accurate listing for this album. But since that is no longer possible, I can add these albums to Chris's page with the artist name between brackets e.g. Episodes 1-14 (The Black Codex), if everyone is happy with this workaround and be done with this discussion.

OK: I received EXPRESS authorization from a member of the Adm Team to add The Black Codex to VARIOUS ARTISTS (CONCEPT ALBUMS & THEMED COMPILATIONS)

mogol wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: OK: I received EXPRESS authorization from a member of the Adm Team to add The Black Codex to VARIOUS ARTISTS (CONCEPT ALBUMS & THEMED COMPILATIONS) Will be added next week if no complains. Iván IMHO it's a mistake. There is no various artists in this project, so you are creating a dangerous precedent, which may cause a lot of headache in the future. If Black Codex is accepted as progressive rock artist, then it should be added to one of the usual subgenres, otherwise - just close this thread and forget it.

amatala wrote: Well, none of those should be listed under VARIOUS ARTISTS as they do belong to one single main artist and they are not compilations. If you don't listen to users like me, at least have a look at established references like Musicbrainz - none of those albums is listed as VA or COMPILATION on MB... http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/4dde8825-d003-3365-bc7d-41d5f2693d0f http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/0f8a9224-b44e-41d7-b395-c7f8b3b55296 http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/b9e6d9f7-0162-43de-9c51-25c1ca5bcb93

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 14 2015 at 11:39