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"K.K., Ian and I would jam at their apartment whenever we got the chance. We used to knock up tons of different ideas and make loads of cassettes. It was interesting because I think we were probably feeling our way as to how and what exactly Priest should be."
- Rob Halford, Heavy Duty official biography, 1984

"We were pretty adventurous and we tried to steer away from basic twelve-bar stuff, because we were more into progressive rock. On the rare occasions that we did anything slightly close to a twelve-bar, we'd try and alter it dramatically by putting in some unusual changes. Most of the other bands around were sticking to the same basic stuff."
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Points: 11401 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2015 at 06:51
"We started rehearsing and writing some of our own songs, classing ourselves as a progressive rock band. We also played covers of bands like Spirit and Quick Silver Messenger Service. We advertised for work in a local newspaper, and a guy called Alan Eade from Ace Management came to our rescue. He put some gigs our way and took us into the studios to record some of my songs. We recorded two songs, "Good Time Woman" and "We'll Stay Together" and sent them off to several record companies.
We had interest from Harvest and Immediate Record companies, so we did a live showcase for them at a local venue in Walsall, The George Hotel.
"Among the audience that night was another singer called Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin) who we were introduced to. Immediate Records liked the sound of us and gave us a deal. We signed a three-year contract (our manager gave us a champagne party at his house) and starting putting songs together for the first album.
"Two months later, the bubble burst when our manager Alan gave us the bad news that the record company had folded. This was a bitter blow for us. Back to the drawing board and back on the road touring.... We carried on touring into 1970, but started to drift apart musically, I wanted to explore the rock side and break away from the bluesy feel the band had developed. So, midway through 1970, we decided to split and go our separate ways."
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Points: 5536 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2015 at 06:24
 no is the answer, they are heavy metal all the way, even first 3 albums toying here in there with some sporadicaly prog leanings

Evrywhere JP is stated as heavy metal gods and no trace of prog here

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Points: 66607 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2015 at 05:40
I did what I could years back.  It went to the admin team for inclusion as prog related and they dropped the hammer and said "no".  I think that new admins or not it is a dead deal.
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Points: 17973 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 20:23
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Judas Priest made a big contribution to progmetal, no doubt, though frankly I'd say the Scorpions were a touch more influential; Michael Schenker and Uli Roth ?   That's about as prog as metal got back then.


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Scorps first two albums are about as prog/metal/psych as you can get....If we are talking about a couple albums then Lonesome Crow destroys the initial Priest albums for progyness.

Both need inclusion.....
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Points: 1505 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 20:21
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:54
Clap it belongs here.. .so does the group.
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Points: 1774 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:51
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

I sure as hell wouldn't want to see 5 star reviews of British Steel on the front page.


and Miles Davis jazz albums from the 1950's... less of a problem with that Daryl.

That barn door was opened years ago and once opened it could never be closed.

Remember man.. it is what THEY want to see on this site.  I do think it needs a poll. Let the admins see if there is.. or isn't a desire to see Judas Priest on the site.  Let people say with their votes if they think Priest had enough of a contributon to prog metal.. or even if certain things.. NOSTRADAMUS people. were flat out prog-metal

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Asked if the members of JUDAS PRIEST were aware, more than forty years ago, that they were creating a form of music that was completely different, Hill said: "I don't think we were, no. It's something that evolved over the years. It wasn't sort of something that happened overnight. JUDAS PRIEST evolved the same as everybody else. We started playing, in the 1960s, early '70s, what people called 'heavy rock' or 'progressive rock.' I can remember us making a conscious effort to try and steer clear of the 12-bar element (although there are one or two songs in there over the years that have had that sort of three-chord battishness). But we stayed clear of that. We just went a bit harder, maybe, a bit heavier and a bit faster than others were doing at the time."
Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priests-ian-hill-heavy-metal-music-will-always-be-here-in-some-way-shape-or-form/#IuTSIMvJ0CPfl0dq.99
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Points: 65684 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:42
Judas Priest made a big contribution to progmetal, no doubt, though frankly I'd say the Scorpions were a touch more influential; Michael Schenker and Uli Roth ?   That's about as prog as metal got back then.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:32
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

I sure as hell wouldn't want to see 5 star reviews of British Steel on the front page.


and Miles Davis jazz albums from the 1950's... less of a problem with that Daryl.

That barn door was opened years ago and once opened it could never be closed.

Remember man.. it is what THEY want to see on this site.  I do think it needs a poll. Let the admins see if there is.. or isn't a desire to see Judas Priest on the site.  Let people say with their votes if they think Priest had enough of a contributon to prog metal.. or even if certain things.. NOSTRADAMUS people. were flat out prog-metal


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Points: 6451 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:25
Personally I think those early albums were an influence on Maiden and Metallica who were an influence on prog metal. So maybe proto-proto-prog metal at best. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see 5 star reviews of British Steel on the front page. I think Megadeth have a better case (not that I'm saying they should be addedShocked).
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:25
since I just finished Vanden Plas.. and my blood is pumping...

going straight to this... since it is still early enough in the evening to rattle the pictures on the wall


the issue if prog metal belongs on this site has been long decided.. the site included Sabbath.. it is long overdue to get this band added..

where is my.. oh yeah.. there it is ...
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Points: 1376 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:17
I vote for a sounding yes as stoped Traffic to listen "Dream Deceiver - Deceiver".
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Points: 954 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:14
IMHO not prog at all.
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Points: 17973 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 18:56
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

they would fit in a rational website.. those first 3 were damn  related, proto prog-metal or simply flat out PRog-Metal. It is an interesting disucssion which means ... it is a discussion to be had.. which means they belong on the site. Discussion and reviews do more to answer that question than secret meetings behind closed doors in the admin zone or even the collab zone.

However mention Judas Priest in the past and rationality will go out the window. I know the site is under new management these days...  curious to see how they'd handled a request

ClapClap......I agree they should be added too
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 18:16
oh we could add it... no problem there.. however it is not up to us. If it was we would have long ago..even when the forum was not receptive to it. The site just added frickin Buckethead and not a person flipped out or went sh*those crazy as they did famously when Iron Maiden got added. 

It is a different site, in membership AND most importantly.. in scope.  You have dozens of albums from artists like Miles Davis included for each one that might relate to the site.  So the fear all the power or pop metal albums that would also be included for the sake of the pertinent ones simply doesn't wash.


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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 18:10
Time to revisit it perhaps....JP should be here for the first three albums under prog related. You need to find someone with the passion and determination to see it through, personally I would just spin Sad Wings of Destiny and get my fix that waySmile
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 17:51
they would fit in a rational website.. those first 3 were damn  related, proto prog-metal or simply flat out PRog-Metal. It is an interesting disucssion which means ... it is a discussion to be had.. which means they belong on the site. Discussion and reviews do more to answer that question than secret meetings behind closed doors in the admin zone or even the collab zone.

However mention Judas Priest in the past and rationality will go out the window. I know the site is under new management these days...  curious to see how they'd handled a request


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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2015 at 17:46
They have been suggested (and discussed) numerous times in the past few years, though without any positive results. Personally, I have always been in favour of adding them to Prog-Related because of their first three albums, but a lot of other people disagree.  You can check these threads if you like:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47114&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=2793608#2793608

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55622&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=3147699#3147699

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68846&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=3713050#3713050

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82433&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=4334262#4334262



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