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Kati
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 19:53 | |||||||
to date no band has been more groundbreaking compared to the Beatles they ended up experimenting and do whatever they wanted creatively because they had the power and will to do this.
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Kati
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 19:57 | |||||||
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Kati
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 20:20 | |||||||
What Angelo said and pointed out is a fact. This is true, P.A. on the album links for sellers has or had an illegal seller, the give away was that he was selling cd's in a jewel case for a band that only releases in digipack. This is a fact. Illegal downloads happen we cannot stop this and somehow for the smaller artists they kind of help to spread the word too. When one downloads a bootleg they know they are doing so, they probably won't buy it anyway thus this method of sharing somehow is ok however promoting the sales of cd's which are fake this has more serious consequences, i.e. the band cannot guarantee the quality and the buyer is being fooled that it is an original copy, this is wrong.
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Polymorphia
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 21:36 | |||||||
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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
Posted: July 04 2015 at 22:11 | |||||||
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 22:23 | |||||||
Nice save there, Sonia! Yep, The Beatles offered ambitious pop music the likes of which the world had never heard before (and pretty amazing to think they were only around for about seven years or so), but nothing close to prog. It kind of bums me out when I see Beatles reviews pop up on the front page! |
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Kati
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 22:29 | |||||||
Wow Aussie-Byrd-Brother! Hello you, I missed you! Before prog came along there were the Beatles. The Beatles had more odd time than some bands that call themselves prog rock had. Listen to the beginning of Taxman sometime. Have you ever heard a song count in at a different tempo than the song actually starts in? If Happiness Is A Warm Gun isn't a precursor to more progressive rock (I knicked this comment btw), I don't know what is! Same goes for I Am The Walrus.
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Kati
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 22:32 | |||||||
Here comes the sun, this I dedicate to Moogtron III https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6j4TGqVl5g
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 22:38 | |||||||
Oh, I'm always bumbling around the Archives somewhere, Sonia! Some weeks I'll be very quiet, the next you can't shut me up!
I have no doubt that Beatles were ground-breaking (and I do love the `Magical Mystery Tour' album especially! ), but I wonder how many prog artists consider the Beatles a big influence on their `proggier' side? Actually, better we get told off for getting a little too off topic , would you have heard this Transatlantic epic live where they incorporate part of the second side of the Beatles `Abbey Road' suite into the track?! |
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Kati
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Posted: July 04 2015 at 22:43 | |||||||
Whoooohaaaa I love Transatlantic! Great post! Just quickly back to peeps who quoted the Beatles having influenced them i.e. According to Chris Squire of Yes, McCartney's melodic bass style was a driving force in his development as a bass player. Jon Anderson also cites The Beatles as a big influence.
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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
Posted: July 05 2015 at 00:09 | |||||||
Peter Cetera (Chicago) admired Macca and even Brian Wilson. In an interview, he spoke of Wilson " He just goes places no other bassist went ". And Pete is an awesome bassist.
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 05 2015 at 09:59 | |||||||
If they really had the will to do this, they would have lasted much longer than 7yrs or so. They were too full of themselves to see the band that they were. Having time signature changes makes them not a prog band, nor even prog attribute.....Many non rock genres have time signature changes, let alone classical music is full of them. I give them they were really good song writers and that is what people latched onto...they were an insanely popular pop/boy band and inclusion in PA is off base. We argue about bands that should be here that are prog and yet this full on pop band is in due to popularity. Makes no sense..plus they sux....IMHO
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: July 05 2015 at 21:15 | |||||||
You mean other than Taxman? Sure! Begins in odd time and settles seamlessly into a syncopated 3/4. Years and years after Taxman, yes, but this song, like maybe a 1000 other that he composed, was a hit and yes he was our Beatles. Not prog but way more progressive than a large majority of artists listed on the PA database. Prog =/= Progressive. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 05 2015 at 21:28 | |||||||
I would NEVER abolish ratings. I personally hate ratings and don't think the worth of an album can be quantified in a number. But...but....doing away with ratings would be to yank PA too far away from the mainstream. When I say mainstream, I don't mean Taylor Swift, to be clear. I mean that there's literally no widely used interactive music website that does something like that. RYM, Metal Archives, you name it. IIRC All About Jazz does not rate albums but they also have a team of reviewers and not just anybody can go rate/review albums as they can on PA. Ideally, I would like to see the metal-archives system on PA where a team of moderators vet and accept reviews. It is undemocratic and can sometimes lead to furious debates, accusations and what not but it does help ensure a bare minimum quality in the reviews published on the website. Unfortunately I don't think we have the 'resources' to be able to man such an activity so the current system is probably the best we can have.
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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
Posted: July 06 2015 at 01:46 | |||||||
The importance of what The Beatles brought to the world of music is undeniable. They may not have been technical virtuosi, but their creativity and intelligence to think 'outside the box' planted seeds for the future generation, and still does. I say this, and I only have a few Beatles vinyls. Edited by Tom Ozric - July 06 2015 at 01:48 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 06 2015 at 11:55 | |||||||
I have two Beatles albums, the blue dbl vinyl hits album and Sgt Pepper. My wife bought them cause she thought they would be worth millions one day.....I told her "silly goose, only things people want are worth millions honey...it's OK I still love you even though you blew $20.00.."
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AEProgman
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2012 Location: Toadstool Status: Offline Points: 1787 |
Posted: July 06 2015 at 13:31 | |||||||
If I could change one thing....hmmm, get rid of the photo of Arjen Lucassen on the main page . Nothing against him, just tired of looking at it....
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: July 06 2015 at 13:56 | |||||||
That would change the rating system anyway - 5 stars is not 5 times as good a 1 star. The stars have a definition that is counter intuitive (so it has been flawed from the beginning), it is not a numerical system.
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dr wu23
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20630 |
Posted: July 06 2015 at 15:09 | |||||||
Can't say I disagree with that. I would open up band inclusion on the site to a vote by all registered menbers.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 06 2015 at 15:59 | |||||||
Absolutely. I would also strictly enforce a "majority vote" so that to be included a band would need 26,893 yes votes [based upon current tally of 53,785 registered members], of course that would significantly boost the sales/downloads/streams of every band suggested. |
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