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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2015 at 17:38
True, on Moon Records. I should have added that later the band became associate directors on Anthem Records in North America. Not owners, but with the same goal in mind: keep things in their own hands.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2015 at 06:07
I have no idea why the corporate suits turned (decided to invest instead in metal bands)  to metal instead, it's not a preference music thing or choice I think, they only care about numbers. This is my hypothesis, believe what you will and whatever you believe this too will also be an assumption.
 
Also we should stop make it seem and romanticize that our fac 70's prog bands were appreciated as much as we believe they were. This is not true, even Robert Fripp said it's better now, they were misunderstood and targeted by none open-minded deaf (obviously) people inc. media. Classic Rock (idiots) was one of them to dismiss KC at the time.. Pinch arghhh!!!! they are a corporation, this is enough said! Bah! They care nothing about music, if you pay they will add you and those poor buggers who can't afford that risk to pay, have no chance no matter how good they are or sales they have achieved. Famous front covers with known artists yes this sells but there should be a balance and classic rock presents prog does not have that. We need more subscription magazines  Really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2015 at 07:11
It's not as much that corporate suits turned to metal, as much as metal artists did more to start their own record labels, music magazines etcetera. Of course, part of that has been commodified and mass-marketized to some extent to the point that it's got its own "culture industry" that overlaps with that of the mainstream... but there are still plenty of underground metal record distributors and xerox-printed fanzines ran out of people's basements and garages.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2015 at 07:19
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

It's not as much that corporate suits turned to metal, as much as metal artists did more to start their own record labels, music magazines etcetera. Of course, part of that has been commodified and mass-marketized to some extent to the point that it's got its own "culture industry" that overlaps with that of the mainstream... but there are still plenty of underground metal record distributors and xerox-printed fanzines ran out of people's basements and garages.
You cute thing! Toaster Mantis, to be honest, I have no idea why, but what I seem to realize is that the prog community are not very supportive especially compared i.e. to the hip hop artists, they seem to be very united and unlike many I don't even like poetry, now this this added with a rap TUNE. Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2015 at 07:27
The metal community were inclusive, and have birth to many fine labels that had fans supporting the labels just as well as the individual artists. The downside of such an environment, shared with many other scenes like rap, hip-hop etc. is that such a scene tends to support those that doesn't break boundaries and play it fairly safe. In the 80's, many metal albums came with stickers proudly stating that there were "no keyboards on this album" for instance, and the bands that pushed at the borders and were imaginative were more often than not the subject of some ridicule and snide remarks. At least that's what I recall from what took place a generation or so ago.

Metal has since grown, thankfully, when the scene expanded there was also room for bands more adventurous. But there's a reason for why there's something called "true metal"...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2015 at 07:29
...and on the subject of metal: This has been one of my more enjoyable musical experiences so far in 2015.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2015 at 11:00
Metal came up with underground support, really.  I think some people tend to confuse the glam/arena side of metal, which was very mainstream, with extreme metal.  Glam metal actually went out of vogue a long time ago.  'Real' metal remains alive thanks to the strength of the underground network.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2015 at 06:15
Yeah, that's the point I made several times. I know that metal didn't really take that approach to music to heart anywhere as much as the punk culture did, but then again it was the punks who invented it. I actually think the metal world is perhaps the clearest example of how new paradigm shifts in the popular music world "flows downstream" from the avantgarde/underground, as I mentioned in the thread I just started about the avantgarde's connection to popular music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2015 at 13:31
Trends come and go, as simple as that. The wonderful thing is prog bands won't die as long as there are people willing to buy their albums. Well....in the free world at least. In socialist Argentina the scene is absolutely dead, hell, even rock bands have a rough time and the only bands that are still going are the big ones willing to sell themselves to the govt in order to participate in public shows for stolen money (and I'm refering to taxes...we lose more than 60% of our salary in order to pay mandatory tribute to the mighty queen). We cannot buy foreign music...or foreign anything BTW. Customs blocks everything.
Anyway, prog caters to a niche audience, but it won't be dead as long as free market exist and people can produce and buy whatever they want. Just don't fall in the same hole we are in. Tongue
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