Why isn't prog as successful as metal as an indus

ExittheLemming wrote: Satanism - everyone else's religion apart from your own...

Edited by The Dark Elf - March 27 2015 at 08:12

I dunno know, you can incorporate various metal in Prog to make it cooler

The Dark Elf wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: Satanism - everyone else's religion apart from your own... God and Satan have been the blame for humanity's reprehensible behavior for millennia. The stark fact is humanity needs neither to act like atrocious tw*ts, they are simply handy abstractions to hang their assholiness upon.

I much prefer my shorter version but I like your use of assholiness as an unwitting pun

Oh,  for God's sake! Do members here really believe that the occult vibe of groups like Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult and crazy old Ozzy is anything more than a way to sell albums? Perhaps it's because the recording industry is now a shadow of it's  former self that causes some members to forget the real agenda behind the veil of Satanism and the occult: Business! Business! Business!

SteveG wrote: Oh,  for God's sake! Do members here really believe that the occult vibe of groups like Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult and crazy old Ozzy is anything more than a way to sell albums? Perhaps it's because the recording industry is now a shadow of it's  former self that causes some members to forget the real agenda behind the veil of Satanism and the occult: Business! Business! Business!   (And business!)

I don't really think anyone here has displayed that kind of naiveté, Steve. Of course it's business, and rebellious rock always sells to angsty teenagers (it has since Elvis first swiveled his satanic hips). But metal bands seem to be stuck on the same business model that was trite by the late 70s. I guess if the model still sells, might as well stick with it.

Edited by The Dark Elf - March 27 2015 at 09:05

Forgive me for bringing the subject matter of cults into this thread. I played for these audiences many years and my observation is that teenagers became obsessed with the lyricism in Metal first and that led them to a interest in the occult. Not much different than my uncles in the early 1930's , pointing their fingers at each other , pretending they were guns, and playing the pretend role of Al Capone. I am also specifically pointing out that this kind of reaction in teenagers regarding Metal was vast in the Eastern United States when I traveled. I do know for a fact that there were other cult related killings in Europe, but insist on basing my information solely on my experience in the U.S. and regret coming across as a "know it all" , if in fact I have. This vastness of cult related killings with all of it's news media coverage is a reality that would have never existed in Prog and that being one of the reasons why Metal has a reputation more vast than Prog could ever have.

Edited by TODDLER - March 27 2015 at 09:24

In the 80's..I had friends in Metal bands who were trying desperately to write something demented and disturbing. They were trying a bit too hard to please the record company. There is absolutely nothing wrong with writing a dark piece with disturbing lyrics because maybe the person listening to it might think..."Wow, I didn't realize how bad witchcraft is and perhaps I will steer clear of it" Unfortunately children who are abused by their parents reach out for the dark lyricism and as a track record, follow the lyrics as a command in their personal life. The record companies didn't think about that did they? As I said before, the only problem with justice is Senator Gore's wife rubbing shoulders with the record executives and not supporting all important issues existing at the time of the "Satanic Panic" era. Apparently it wasn't in her best interest to bring justice to the record companies other than the conclusion of using album stickers...which was worse because it just made kids even more curious. Senator Gore was a huge Jethro Tull fan..so evidently he must have understood a lot more than he revealed which was not in his best interest...which also explains why the majority of the senate disagreed with Frank Zappa who was trying to use logic and personally disliked the government getting involved to begin with when Country songs revealed incest and murder over a sexual dispute in the lyrics and it just wasn't being addressed at all. ...As if to say that it was completely okay for the Country singer to continue producing lyrics on the subject, but it wasn't okay for Metal groups to do the same. That's not justice for the sake of justice, but justice for one genre of music to make yourself, the politician look important in the eyes of the older generations.  

^As Don Corleone once said "it wasn't personal. It was just business."  

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Because popularity is a disease and prog is an effective vaccine...and metal is an STD.