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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 13:18 | |||
^ It has occurred to me once that some people do it unconsciously, i.e. they don't even realize it.
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darkshade
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 13:50 | |||
That must take some skills. I don't think I could even function a computer unconsciously, let alone rate albums on PA. |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 14:57 | |||
^ I mean, some people don't seem to wholly understand the nature and consequences of their doings, you see?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 09 2013 at 14:58 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 15:25 | |||
There is little doubt that they do. No one rates their favourite album with 5-stars and then gives every other album in the chart 1-star by accident. No one buys every fricking album by a bad they hate and then rates them each with one star on this website without knowing exactly what it is they are doing and why they are doing it. There is no reason to be apologetic for this kind of childish behaviour.
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 15:37 | |||
^ Here's the reason why brought this up. One person has committed something, and some time later he's been explained what it is that he did. I presume that's because that first person didn't know what it is that he did.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 09 2013 at 15:38 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 09 2013 at 15:42 | |||
Of course he knew what he was doing - he's an attention-seeking troll.
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sl75
Forum Groupie Joined: April 11 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Posted: May 22 2014 at 00:06 | |||
I came here to try and figure out how the QWR works. Thanks MikeEnRegalia for explaining it so well back on page 3.
Picking up Keewee's question from earlier: why is there not an easy option for including Proto-Prog or Prog-Related in a query? I agree with the reasoning for not including them in the default setting, but it should be possible to select them in the filter for Sub-Genre if you're interested. (As it happens, it can be done manually by creating a filter based on any random subgenre, clicking submit, and then editing the &ssubgenres=x part of the resulting URL to read either &ssubgenres=37 for proto or &ssubgenres=38 for related, then pressing enter/return on the keyboard instead of clicking submit - but that's pretty tiresome to have to do it that way) |
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sl75
Forum Groupie Joined: April 11 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Posted: May 22 2014 at 00:13 | |||
It still does this for me, and it also does it when selecting Australia in the Country filter (worse there because the additional countries it selects are hidden from view - so you can alter some other parameters and press submit again, only to find yourself looking at albums from Lebanon, Mexico, Moldova and Monaco instead of just Australia.) |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: March 07 2015 at 02:44 | |||
^ Yes, we know about this problem, and yes, satisfying the proposition would be too laborious for anyone to seriously consider committing to it. Just my two cents.
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
Posted: March 07 2015 at 05:45 | |||
I get what you're saying and then again not. When we start taking away people's right to have an opinion (even when it's on an album in a genre they know nothing about), we're toiling with the very foundation of the website....and in my personal opinion turning it into something that reeks of music snobbery. Sorry, I get the intentions behind your request, but it is simply not doable. Andrey gave you the technical side of the problem in the post before mine, but the real pickle is the message such a change would implement. Then again, any system based on ratings is bound to have flaws. None are infallible - believe me we've had this discussion before.......and anyway, the trick is to stop caring about ratings and rankings and just listen to what the reviewers (if they're any good) have to say about the music - find ones that mirror your own tastes and you're pretty much set up. Music is not a competition.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:20 | |||
Forget those silly ratings, and especially the rankings based upon them. They are for forum entertainment and never-ending forum discussion fodder. Did Genesis do 2 of the top 5 prog albums ever. HAH. Of course not. It would really be stretch to include 1 in the top 10 if one takes a long view of all teh great stuff from all over the world. It is a popularity contest, and very anglo-centric at that. It is in the text of the reviews where the value of them is. Find a reviewer whose style you like, whom you feel to be objective and doesn't play favorites, and roll with those. They are out there. Edited by micky - March 07 2015 at 07:22 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20032 |
Posted: April 13 2015 at 07:07 | |||
How do you prove that?
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aglasshouse
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 27 2014 Location: riding the MOAB Status: Offline Points: 1505 |
Posted: April 13 2015 at 08:20 | |||
That's true, it's hard to convey a clearly demonstrated opinion on ones music tastes via the internet. Unless they have an extensive and in-depth review of what the music, how are you to know what they judge?
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
Posted: April 13 2015 at 09:02 | |||
I think he was meaning to forbid 1 and 5 star rating-only's (without review).
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 15 2015 at 19:54 | |||
Gerinski! That is a brilliant option really! And would stop a lot of the very silly ratings, considering that most albums/bands added on PA certainly deserve more than 1 star because it's not easy to be accepted on this site and 5 star ratings are given easily too big hug to you!
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:06 | |||
Sorry Sonia, but if you think about the consequences of that all it does is skew the averages towards the centre because those people will now be distributing their rating-only between 2-star and 4-star ratings, or if they are really smart - give 2-star ratings to bands they don't like and nothing at all to those they do. The silly ratings would continue unabated. Also, we do not accept bands here based on whether they are good or not. The only criteria is they have to be Prog.
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:11 | |||
To be honest, we keep fooling ourselves that the 60's & 70's era were the best prog album releases and this might be due to the romanticized magical mystique of the wonderful unknown of that era, added with the costumes, funny noises and most memorable tunes, however we cannot say that new bands are any less, to be honest i.e. Opeth and their album Pale Communion is not rivaling any of that and is unique brilliant as his own too.
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:14 | |||
Dean, hello you fluffy cute grumpy Yes true what you said but atleast they will have a little less effect on the ratings scores. Also why, unlike other sites does P.A. allow people to rate albums without signing in properly? Big hug to you P.S. In that acceptance criteria, any true prog band is surely more deserving than a 1 star rating.
Edited by Kati - April 15 2015 at 20:16 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:22 | |||
Hello Sonia, flattery will get you nowhere...
I can't comment on that because I'm not M@X.
Thank you, hugs are welcome in moderation. |
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Kati
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:44 | |||
there is no so such thing as moderation unless you have a stalker (that's called creepy) M@X looks like Harvey Specter from SUITS aka hot, insightful and smart I am sure if we arise this problem and come up with a better alternative he will be open to it http://www.proadviser.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/h06.jpg
Edited by Kati - April 15 2015 at 20:50 |
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