American Proto-Prog

earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: Although I am more familiar with Jimi' s or The Doors' catalogue, I voted Spirit just as my personal little protest against a wrong decision that the Sprit should be listed in PA as a "proto" (i.e. not prog) act, i.e. Spirit would be in a full-prog category of PA. And that genre would be....? I think that the genre would be Eclectic, Psych/Space or Crossover. If the genre is not obvious and the music covers a wide range of genres this would indicate proto-prog.

But it could indicate Eclectic prog too.

^No, some fan of The Nice would probably dispute that!

earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: Although I am more familiar with Jimi' s or The Doors' catalogue, I voted Spirit just as my personal little protest against a wrong decision that the Sprit should be listed in PA as a "proto" (i.e. not prog) act, i.e. Spirit would be in a full-prog category of PA. And that genre would be....? I think that the genre would be Eclectic, Psych/Space or Crossover. If the genre is not obvious and the music covers a wide range of genres this would indicate proto-prog. But it could indicate Eclectic prog too. Would you describe any of their 60s' (or later for that matter) albums as full-blown prog? The first four. This would make their s/t debut the first prog album I suppose. Never heard that before.

Nope. Freak Out! comes first.

Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: Although I am more familiar with Jimi' s or The Doors' catalogue, I voted Spirit just as my personal little protest against a wrong decision that the Sprit should be listed in PA as a "proto" (i.e. not prog) act, i.e. Spirit would be in a full-prog category of PA. And that genre would be....? I think that the genre would be Eclectic, Psych/Space or Crossover. If the genre is not obvious and the music covers a wide range of genres this would indicate proto-prog. But it could indicate Eclectic prog too. Would you describe any of their 60s' (or later for that matter) albums as full-blown prog? The first four. This would make their s/t debut the first prog album I suppose. Never heard that before. Nope. Freak Out! comes first.

Satirical rock is not Prog to me. For Zappa, that came later with his fusion experiments like Hot Rats.

earlyprog wrote: I don't find any of the songs on Spirit 's s/t full-blown prog, sections of them perhaps. (Revision: not even sections are full-blown prog.) Straight Arrow is perhaps best described as country music (with a jazzy section), Girl In Your Eye is a silly UK psyche thing, Gramophone Man is pop/R&B (with a jazzy section) and so is Topanga Windows, Water Woman is folk. This alone constitutes about half of the album. And then I'm not even mentioning the rest individually song by song which at best is 50 % prog per song.

It's that early, 60s prog. The same thing is with e.g. English prog band Family. However, If you search for "full-prog" 60s albums on that ridiculously wrong way then you will hardly find even In the Court of the Crimson King as an "full-prog" album because I Talk To The Wind is a pop song (a great pop, though). And also, following that pretzel logic, one can say that 21 Century Schizoid Man is "heavy psych, not prog".


Edited by Svetonio - February 27 2015 at 11:19

Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: I don't find any of the songs on Spirit 's s/t full-blown prog, sections of them perhaps. (Revision: not even sections are full-blown prog.) Straight Arrow is perhaps best described as country music (with a jazzy section), Girl In Your Eye is a silly UK psyche thing, Gramophone Man is pop/R&B (with a jazzy section) and so is Topanga Windows, Water Woman is folk. This alone constitutes about half of the album. And then I'm not even mentioning the rest individually song by song which at best is 50 % prog per song. It's that early, 60s prog. The same thing is with e.g. English prog band Family. However, If you search for "full-prog" 60s albums on that ridiculously wrong way then you will hardly find even In the Court of the Crimson King as an "full-prog" album because I Talk To The Wind is a pop song (a great pop, though). And also, following that pretzel logic, one can say that 21 Century Schizoid Man is "heavy psych, not prog".

Well done Sventonio!

^Fair enough.   Goodnight to you too, Sventonio.

Edited by SteveG - February 27 2015 at 11:28

Btw, It's A Beautiful Day deserves a shout out just for being ripped off so much! Great first album!

SteveG wrote: ^Fair enough.   Goodnight to you too, Sventonio.

Cheers, Steve

earlyprog wrote: Svetonio wrote: earlyprog wrote: I don't find any of the songs on Spirit 's s/t full-blown prog, sections of them perhaps. (Revision: not even sections are full-blown prog.) Straight Arrow is perhaps best described as country music (with a jazzy section), Girl In Your Eye is a silly UK psyche thing, Gramophone Man is pop/R&B (with a jazzy section) and so is Topanga Windows, Water Woman is folk. This alone constitutes about half of the album. And then I'm not even mentioning the rest individually song by song which at best is 50 % prog per song. It's that early, 60s prog. The same thing is with e.g. English prog band Family. However, If you search for "full-prog" 60s albums on that ridiculously wrong way then you will hardly find even In the Court of the Crimson King as an "full-prog" album because I Talk To The Wind is a pop song (a great pop, though). And also, following that pretzel logic, one can say that 21 Century Schizoid Man is "heavy psych, not prog". If you believe 30% prog on an album makes it a prog album it's fine with me. (...)

It would be, because that specific weight of the quantity of prog is always higher than the specific weight of the amount of non-prog in a 60s prog album.