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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

^ That's one good looking cover Cool
The cover of my copy is the one in worst condition in my collection, but the disc plays nicely.... I'll never post a photo of it LOL
 
I have a couple,
 
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I saw David Gilmour once. I was riding my bicycle in Marina del Rey, Calif. one overcast Saturday morning on the way to work back in the fall of 1987. As I starting passing a public park named Glencoe Park, I believe, I spotted a lone figure in the distance walking in my direction. As I came nearer, I saw that it was unmistakably him, bundled up in a medium weight coat and out for an early morning stroll. As there were (and are) two or three condominium sites close by, I surmised at the moment that he probably was staying at one. Anyway, I slowed down, and feeling compelled to say something to the master, I lowered my jaw but was met with this congenial nod of his that said it all: "Just stretching my legs. No need for talk. I appreciate your thoughts though." With that, I just peddled by him. To this day, I still wish I had said something to him. Nevertheless, I appreciate life's gift of making eye contact with a legend.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2015 at 08:25
I asked a question on the More thread but got no answer and it's bugging me cause something makes no sense to me about Pink Floyd song-writing credits.
I keep reading on my PF cds and elsewhere about all the songs Roger wrote but on those songs there are guitar parts from Gilmour or keys from Wright and yet only Roger is credited to have written those songs. How does it work?

Here are some examples:
Cirrus Minor and Cymbaline on More (yet, a lot of keyboards, I don't believe Waters created that)
Money (Gilmour guitar work?)
Welcome to the Machine (keyboard work?)
Sheep (the keyboard part, did roger come up with that?)
The Wall (all that keyboard work, yet no co-writing credits for Wright, I know Ezrin had some contributions but Wright did not have any?)




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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I asked a question on the More thread but got no answer and it's bugging me cause something makes no sense to me about Pink Floyd song-writing credits.
I keep reading on my PF cds and elsewhere about all the songs Roger wrote but on those songs there are guitar parts from Gilmour or keys from Wright and yet only Roger is credited to have written those songs. How does it work?

Here are some examples:
Cirrus Minor and Cymbaline on More (yet, a lot of keyboards, I don't believe Waters created that)
Money (Gilmour guitar work?)
Sheep (the keyboard part, did roger come up with that?)
The Wall (all that keyboard work, yet no co-writing credits for Wright, I know Ezrin had some contributions but Wright did not have any?)



Starting from The Wall, Wright was not contributing much and Waters decided to give up to him, that's why Wright doesn't play on The Final Cut. Most of the keyboards are arranged by Ezrin, and arranging is not composing.
It applies to Money as well. Gilmour has played the guitar and has probably modified the 7/4 signature into a more regular 4/4 for the chorus. Same for Sheep, even though I think it's credited to the whole band, not sure.
I don't know about More.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2015 at 08:38
Traditionally (and PF were signed to  EMI, a very traditional company), songs are credited to the person or persons who created the lyric and main melody. The rest (drums, bass, rhythm section, solos and other assorted accompaniment, fills etc.,) are considered to be the arrangement rather than the composition. 

A way to think of this is when a band records a cover version of someone else's song - each band member may contribute to the arrangement but do not get compositional credit. One exception to this is Cat Stevens version of Morning Has Broken where (after many years dispute) Rick Wakeman is credited as a composer for the additional music he created for that version.

Some artists come to an agreement as to how songs are credited, for example songs written for the Beatles by John Lennon or Paul McCartney were always credited as Lennon and McCartney. Peter Gabriel era Genesis always credited the composition to the whole band regardless of who wrote it - this changed to individual credits once he left.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2015 at 08:41
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I asked a question on the More thread but got no answer and it's bugging me cause something makes no sense to me about Pink Floyd song-writing credits.
I keep reading on my PF cds and elsewhere about all the songs Roger wrote but on those songs there are guitar parts from Gilmour or keys from Wright and yet only Roger is credited to have written those songs. How does it work?

Here are some examples:
Cirrus Minor and Cymbaline on More (yet, a lot of keyboards, I don't believe Waters created that)
Money (Gilmour guitar work?)
Sheep (the keyboard part, did roger come up with that?)
The Wall (all that keyboard work, yet no co-writing credits for Wright, I know Ezrin had some contributions but Wright did not have any?)



Starting from The Wall, Wright was not contributing much and Waters decided to give up to him, that's why Wright doesn't play on The Final Cut. Most of the keyboards are arranged by Ezrin, and arranging is not composing.
It applies to Money as well. Gilmour has played the guitar and has probably modified the 7/4 signature into a more regular 4/4 for the chorus. Same for Sheep, even though I think it's credited to the whole band, not sure.
I don't know about More.



Sheep is credited to waters only, the only song on animals that Gilmour is credited to co-write is Dogs. So who arranged all the keyboard work on Animals?
Dumb question (possibly LOL) - isn't arranging a song part of the writing process?
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No, (see my previous post)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2015 at 08:47
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

No, (see my previous post)


ok, sorry, I've just read your post.
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It is all related to sheet music publication - writing credit was only given to the parts that got printed on the page, not what was recorded in the studio or played on stage.
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Still trying to appreciate The Endless River. I will keep trying every year or two.
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Finally the song name "Autumn '68" makes more sense to me: it fits perfectly as a sort of follow-up to the unique "Summer '68".
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AZF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2015 at 03:46
I've got over my rabid replaying of "The Endless River" from last year, but I still think the whole piece is one of my top three Pink Floyd albums, some days it takes the top.
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Originally posted by Fen Fen wrote:

Still trying to appreciate The Endless River. I will keep trying every year or two.
As Barrett once said. " It's no good trying "
I loved the album upon first listen. It wasn't difficult at all.
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It's too early to create a new thread for Gilmour's new album, it wont be out until mid september, just in time for his European tour, but I think you'd all like a little snippet from it here:

https://instagram.com/p/2qyLnGTIs8/




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David Gilmour to perform live solo show in Pompeii.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gilmour-returns-pompeii-111216334.html




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^ Yep, 350€ a ticket Stern Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I asked a question on the More thread but got no answer and it's bugging me cause something makes no sense to me about Pink Floyd song-writing credits.
I keep reading on my PF cds and elsewhere about all the songs Roger wrote but on those songs there are guitar parts from Gilmour or keys from Wright and yet only Roger is credited to have written those songs. How does it work?

Here are some examples:
Cirrus Minor and Cymbaline on More (yet, a lot of keyboards, I don't believe Waters created that)
Money (Gilmour guitar work?)
Welcome to the Machine (keyboard work?)
Sheep (the keyboard part, did roger come up with that?)
The Wall (all that keyboard work, yet no co-writing credits for Wright, I know Ezrin had some contributions but Wright did not have any?)



Sometimes Waters would write the lyrics (well, he wrote all of them in the "classical" era) and chord progressions, but Gilmour would add all the arrangements (and sometimes Wright, like in "WTTM"). So I don't pay much attention to songwriting credits. Listen to the demo of Money and listen to the final song....yet only Waters appears as the composer of it. It's "unfair" that if say Gilmour writes a song, but Waters wrote the lyrics he appears as co-author, but if Waters writes a song and Gilmour wrote all the arrangements he doesn't.
I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I asked a question on the More thread but got no answer and it's bugging me cause something makes no sense to me about Pink Floyd song-writing credits.
I keep reading on my PF cds and elsewhere about all the songs Roger wrote but on those songs there are guitar parts from Gilmour or keys from Wright and yet only Roger is credited to have written those songs. How does it work?

Here are some examples:
Cirrus Minor and Cymbaline on More (yet, a lot of keyboards, I don't believe Waters created that)
Money (Gilmour guitar work?)
Welcome to the Machine (keyboard work?)
Sheep (the keyboard part, did roger come up with that?)
The Wall (all that keyboard work, yet no co-writing credits for Wright, I know Ezrin had some contributions but Wright did not have any?)





Sometimes Waters would write the lyrics (well, he wrote all of them in the "classical" era) and chord progressions, but Gilmour would add all the arrangements (and sometimes Wright, like in "WTTM"). So I don't pay much attention to songwriting credits. Listen to the demo of Money and listen to the final song....yet only Waters appears as the composer of it. It's "unfair" that if say Gilmour writes a song, but Waters wrote the lyrics he appears as co-author, but if Waters writes a song and Gilmour wrote all the arrangements he doesn't.


I remember something from Another Brick in the Wall 2... from an interview, I think with Gilmour, backed up by hearing the demo from the song. As far as I understand, the song as proposed by Waters was suposed to be only the sung part... once (only by the band). Then Gilmour came with the idea of adding the boys choir, and I belive the guitar solo must have been his... so as Waters intended it, it would hardly have been more than a small bridge song, similar to "Bring the Boys Back Home" or "The Show must go on"... instead it became one of the bands biggest hits.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

 
I remember something from Another Brick in the Wall 2... from an interview, I think with Gilmour, backed up by hearing the demo from the song. As far as I understand, the song as proposed by Waters was suposed to be only the sung part... once (only by the band). Then Gilmour came with the idea of adding the boys choir...

In an exposition on Floyd in Paris, I heard that the kids choir was an idea from Bob Ezrin, who already did the same on Alice Cooper's School's Out


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I've noticed it's been ignored as "a series of disappointing instrumentals with one damp squib song at the end" but I've been really appreciating "The Endless River" today.
Forgot how much I was obsessed with it the last couple of years. I don't feel cheated by the four long pieces chopped down into smaller sections.
A couple of years on and I still don't feel I've finished listening to it.
Or does that album jar and ruin your appreciation of Pink Floyd?
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