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Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:01

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I recently heard from reliable sources that bands can pay money to have negative reviews removed from PA, is this true?

god those were the days...

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:13

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I'm sorry Kati, I didn't mean to offend you, of course not, it's just that you have more than once posted reactions towards negative reviews from that band and I just got carried away thinking that this was also related to the same case.

Any review is by definition subjective, and we must allow critical comments if the reviewer honestly thinks so, but of course we must demand from reviewers to be polite, respectful, and articulate in their opinions. Just bashing an album without articulate reasoning is not acceptable.

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Gerinski, no cheers here. I have a question for you and hope for an answer to your comments below:

Again I must quote you here: "I'm sorry Kati, I didn't mean to offend you, of course not, it's just that you have more than once posted reactions towards negative reviews from that band and I just got carried away thinking that this was also related to the same case."?

Where have I ever said or done such things?

The only time I discuss them is on reviews reporting thread to help clarify things or if anyone happened to mention them but never started it by myself.

I never post about them except once recently, it was a competition to win a signed cd from them but the quiz was not at all about them, it was about guessing 10 artists from 70's prog/rock era, this was just for fun and for some interaction, infact they get the wrong end of the stick from me because I post so many things about other bands and songs but nothing from them to avoid all this..

I have tried to keep things separate, this is not the reason why I stayed here on PA, I have become very fond the members in this group here on PA, I feel happy being here.

I am not here to defend myself, all you have to look are at my ratings, especially band releases in 2012. I have not rated much this last year.

I have not asked anyone here to write a review on their new album because I did not want to place anyone in an awkward position due to conflict of interests.

Now back to what you said, where have I said what you accused me of doing, as quoted?

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:30

micky wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

I recently heard from reliable sources that bands can pay money to have negative reviews removed from PA, is this true?

god those were the days...

hahaha Vompatti, you are very naughty

P.A. as a respectable site and a serious business do have an option for paid publicity, this is only for i.e. to allow bands to stay for a period of time on the P.A. Main Page that top row (Top Popular Artists, top 50 last 24 hours) with all sorts of bands from 70's to date inc. those who did not pay but earned their spot by being popular at the time. This is what you get.

Hug

Edited by Kati - January 29 2015 at 18:36

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:33

Sorry Sonia, but I made that exact same assumption myself when you made this thread. It's not that far fetched really. You've commented on reviewers before and how you would like to see them write with the respect.....often in the wake of a negative Corvus Stone review. That may not have been a factor at all and I'm sorry it wasn't, but you can't really blame people for thinking like that....even if they're wrong.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:43

Um, some persons I know would have been seen as being in a compromising state if they mingled with PA in their past. Hmm, I wonder who it could be?

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:56

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Sorry Sonia, but I made that exact same assumption myself when you made this thread. It's not that far fetched really. You've commented on reviewers before and how you would like to see them write with the respect.....often in the wake of a negative Corvus Stone review. That may not have been a factor at all and I'm sorry it wasn't, but you can't really blame people for thinking like that....even if they're wrong.

Guldbamsen if that was the case I would be direct and say so.

And no I do not blame people for misunderstandings but also don't appreciate being accused of things I have not done meanwhile taking this opportunity to further deliberate and go into details their dislike of something or anyone, especially while knowing that I (idiot here) have praised him before for his reviewing skills in regards to that exact less favorable review even if he still took upon himself to discuss it further into detail.

I find it no longer interesting to read, twice was enough for me and see no reason for repeating this for a third time while replying to me.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:56

Kati wrote:

Gerinski, no cheers here. I have a question for you and hope for an answer to your comments below:

Where have I ever said or done such things?

The only time I discuss them is on reviews reporting thread to help clarify things or if anyone happened to mention them but never started it by myself.

Dear Kati, please understand that I'm not willing to spend a lot of time searching for posts from you which might justify my words. I fully agree that you have never started anything by yourself, only that you have reacted to some reviews in threads like 'reviews reporting threads' or perhaps in even less explicit threads, I hope that you will agree to that and leave it as that without needing further discussions. I have no problem discussing with someone who loves a band which I don't, this should never become a 'fight', and I expect the same from the other side, I will never take offence if somebody criticizes some band I love as long as he/she does so respectfully and in an articulated manner.

I repeat, I never meant to offend you and if I did so please accept my apologies. I believe that as critic as I may have been I have always stated my opinions in a respectful and opinionated manner, if you agree with this please let's leave it like that. Otherwise I will need to spend time searching for posts from you which can more or less justify my words, which I find rather unproductive.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 19:08

Gerinski wrote:

Kati wrote:

Gerinski, no cheers here. I have a question for you and hope for an answer to your comments below:

Where have I ever said or done such things?

The only time I discuss them is on reviews reporting thread to help clarify things or if anyone happened to mention them but never started it by myself.

You are accusing me of something I have not done, thus it's only fair for you to prove me wrong and show me where I said that? On the Reviews reporting thread I NEVER MADE ANY CRITIQUE ABOUT A SPECIFIC REVIEW nor have I ever mentioned anyone on them, quite the contrary I have came to the defense of 3 reviewers (and some collabs too) because I know them and felt that it was unfair, never said a word of critique specifying any reviewer or review.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 19:27

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Really Kati, it would take me some time which I am not too keen on spending at.

David (Guldbamsem) has quite confirmed that he understood my point even if I may have been wrong.

So let's state it loud and clear: OK You were not referring at all to any reviews on Corvus Stone. Reviewers should be judged too, and that's a completely neutral statement, nothing to do with any Corvus Stone review, it was about judging reviewers who give low ratings to Queen, Supertramp, Yes, VDGG, Big Big Train, Riverside, Magma, Kayo Dot, Devin Tonwnshend, Knifeworld and Perfect Beings.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 19:33

Kati wrote:

Gerinski wrote:

Kati wrote:

Gerinski, no cheers here. I have a question for you and hope for an answer to your comments below:

Where have I ever said or done such things?

The only time I discuss them is on reviews reporting thread to help clarify things or if anyone happened to mention them but never started it by myself.

Couldn't find right now one of you discussing the dislike of the band (will continue to search) however meanwhile I found this which also fitting to what I said above:

Gerinski wrote:

It's a very interesting topic and one for which I don't have really an answer. Practically all Queen albums from Sheer Heart Attack up to Jazz might be considered incoherent in the sense that they contain such a wide variety of stuff. Can you get more different songs mixed together than Sheer Heart Attack, All Dead, Sleeping On the Sidewalk, It's Late, My Melancholy Blues etc? And yet they have never stroke me as incoherent albums and I have never heard them being criticized for that, A Night At The Opera is almost unanimously considered a masterpiece album.

They are 'individual songs' albums, but I wonder if had they put the songs in a different sequence, would they work just the same? Is it simply enough that every song be good on its own? I think that in a 'songs album', deciding the songs order can change the way an album feels.

On the other hand, coming back to the Corvus Stone albums, every time I listen again to any of them, I can't help a sense of incoherence and lack of collective meaning (sorry Colin!). Why does it happen and not with most Queen albums (for example), do not ask me.

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Probably, The Beatles White album would never have been accepted in this dane prog age

I love that album, except number 9 grrrrrr that track one listen, just a bit and it stays stuck with me for days, arghhh bah! In my head, the voices... number 9, nonstop playing over and over again

That did not deter me from thinking you are a very nice, sincere and sweet person at all. Another

Sorry, I forgot to quote Gerinski above

I do love him I must add, even if our moozik tastes are not quite parallel, I do like him a lot.

very much infact! hugs to all

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 19:38

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Kati wrote:

Really Kati, it would take me some time which I am not too keen on spending at.

David (Guldbamsem) has quite confirmed that he understood my point even if I may have been wrong.

Your opinion to the actual topic is relative to this discussion and your opinion is valid too, however if you accuse me of saying something I say I have not said, you have to be able to back this up too.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 19:50

micky wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

I recently heard from reliable sources that bands can pay money to have negative reviews removed from PA, is this true?

god those were the days...

too bad they could only afford one!

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 19:51

Let's make it easy Kati: which review(s) prompted you to start this thread?

I must admit that I unknowingly thought it was some negative review on CS and it seems that I was wrong. Sorry for that, really. So, may I know which was the review which triggered you to post this thread?

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:03

Kati wrote:

Guldbamsen if that was the case I would be direct and say so.

I find it no longer interesting to read, twice was enough for me and see no reason for repeating this for a third time while replying to me.

The more I read from you in this thread the more I am convinced of my initial assumption.
I think you're a cool girl Sonia and you bring a lot of warmth to this site, but you are very bad at accepting an apology. An apology that wasn't needed in the first place imho.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:10

Guldbamsen wrote:

Kati wrote:

Guldbamsen if that was the case I would be direct and say so.

I find it no longer interesting to read, twice was enough for me and see no reason for repeating this for a third time while replying to me.

Convinced of your initial assumption really? Ok fine believe what you will, I have nothing further to say to you, Guldbamsen and I will not be bullied into stop wanting proof of something I clearly have not said or critique.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:20

Gerinski wrote:

Let's make it easy Kati: which review(s) prompted you to start this thread?

Obviously what I read must have influenced me by posting this topic. However it clearly was not because of a CS review, their last review was on 28 December 2014 and this topic I started on the 23rd of January 2015.

Now back to my initial question?

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:29

Kati wrote:

Gerinski wrote:

I'm sorry Kati, I didn't mean to offend you, of course not, it's just that you have more than once posted reactions towards negative reviews from that band and I just got carried away thinking that this was also related to the same case.

Love and peace Hug

Gerinski, no cheers here. I have a question for you and hope for an answer to your comments below:

Where have I ever said or done such things?

The only time I discuss them is on reviews reporting thread to help clarify things or if anyone happened to mention them but never started it by myself.

I have tried to keep things separate, this is not the reason why I stayed here on PA, I have become very fond the members in this group here on PA, I feel happy being here.

I am not here to defend myself, all you have to look are at my ratings, especially band releases in 2012. I have not rated much this last year.

I have not asked anyone here to write a review on their new album because I did not want to place anyone in an awkward position due to conflict of interests.

Now back to what you said, where have I said what you accused me of doing, as quoted?

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Guldbamsen, how (highlighted in red) is that an apology to you? When you apologise to someone you do not throw a dig at them. And I think that dig is unfounded too thus want an answer as to where I said that.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:48

Again not the post I was looking for but found this one also showing quite the opposite from me acting negative to a negative review:

Kati wrote:

Gerinski wrote:

presdoug wrote:

My favorite PA reviewers are

Mellotron Storm

richardh

Ivan Melgar M

Aussie_Byrd_Brother

no long winded explanations as to why-they are great reviewers

Fully agree with the choice.

Gerinsky you are a great reviewer too!!!! Even if you trashed my ultimate favorite band, you are really good, what you write is most articulate in terms of what you enjoy and like really

Hug to you

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:50

would you blieve if i told hyou i agree that revieiwers should listen to the albusm they review .q.m.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:51

Vompatti wrote:

would you blieve if i told hyou i agree that revieiwers should listen to the albusm they review .q.m.

I only listen to someone read the review as I listen to someone reading the liner notes of the album.

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