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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 04:24 |
Vompatti wrote:
i thought it was where british PA admins store their "tools"
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...and their old broken shredders.
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Dean
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 04:39 |
there are no British Admins
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What?
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 05:58 |
Doesn't stop the vitriol though...
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Dean
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 05:59 |
It depends on the direction
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 06:05 |
A lame pun about the Brits and reproductive organs is deserving of a riposte. It's a two way street - cut to the chase what's your point?
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CPicard
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 06:14 |
No British admins on PA? There's something wrong in this world.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 06:15 |
I moonlight as Welsh admin on odd weekdays.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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Gerinski
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 06:58 |
My rule is just that I refrain from reviewing albums from genres or styles which I do not like per se. If I don't enjoy tech-extreme, I will be unable to appreciate the good things a tech-extreme album can offer to those who enjoy the genre so I will not review a tech-extreme album just to say that you better spend your money in some other thing.
But Kati, I feel entitled to criticise an album from a style I in principle like. And I believe that with the democracy of numbers, odd opinions get usually ironed out and the 'general opinion' emerges, even if everybody should understand that the general opinion must not match your own.
I mean, if ELP's In The Hot Seat or Yes' Open Your Eyes have the low ratings they have, it's because a lot of people find them weak. It would be silly to say that all those people who reviewed them as poor albums should have refrained from reviewing them based on the assumption that the musicians did their best or at least what they set out to do. And of course there will be some people who find them great albums.
There are weak albums, let's face it, same as there are brilliant ones. A lot of people try doing things and there are people who are better at it than others, there's the whole spectrum from very good to very bad. Denying that by saying that they all put their best effort is silly. You are a graphical artist and I'm pretty sure that if you see a painting by myself you will say that the best I can do with it is wrapping my lunch sandwich.
Then there are the odd cases which strongly polarise opinions, and we all know where were you coming from, and you must recognise that it's one of those strongly polarising cases, some people love it and some people find it very weak. Personally I belong to the latter, I was very critic with their first release and given that I felt the same about the 2nd one, I refrained from reviewing it, at least for the time being, because maybe I need to see it as an album from a genre I do not like, although in all honesty I don't think that's the issue in this case. It's genre is something I should in principle like, but I find it very weak, with all my respect for the effort they made.
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SteveG
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 10:25 |
CPicard wrote:
No British admins on PA? There's something wrong in this world.
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SteveG
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Posted: January 28 2015 at 10:51 |
Kati wrote:
Ban me if you wish, I find this all very silly.
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Sonia, you are gem among an ocean of rough stones. But you do throw me sometimes as you knock some silly posts but than post a few of your own. Don't worry, my wife is on your side. She keeps reminding me that it's a woman's prerogative! So she sends you many hugs and says that I don't deserve any! So from K. to you: (Yea, all you women stick together!)
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Kati
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 14:55 |
Gerinski wrote:
Then there are the odd cases which strongly polarise opinions, and we all know where were you coming from, and you must recognise that it's one of those strongly polarising cases, some people love it and some people find it very weak. Personally I belong to the latter, I was very critic with their first release and given that I felt the same about the 2nd one, I refrained from reviewing it, at least for the time being, because maybe I need to see it as an album from a genre I do not like, although in all honesty I don't think that's the issue in this case. It's genre is something I should in principle like, but I find it very weak, with all my respect for the effort they made. |
I am absolutely speaking in general Gerinski, not singling out anyone or being specific. In regards to that you are referring to, I have said nothing but praised you many times on PA for your writing and articulate skills, also mentioning that although I may not share your view, it was a well written and well thought review! Thus what you wrote above I find quite offensive as I do not know where it comes from?! I believe that discussing reviews (not rate them) in a nice and polite manner could set higher standards which would also greatly benefit the prog reviewers and the site a lot. See quote copied below from comments made previously on this thread.
Kati wrote:
Walton Street wrote:
well the short answer is yes .. especially when it comes to factual errors. but aren't irresponsible reviews judged already - by the very virtue that people will publically disagree with them? are you talking about in general, or just on this site? | Walton Street, I am talking in general, the two examples I gave above happened to be on here, however many prog sites deal with this SAME issue, not only P.A. Having bad written reviews with no content also is not fair to the reviewers who actual do care about what they write both positive and also negative views (both are necessary as it creates some kind of balance). Thus that one can write anything not related and call it a review with impunity is total B.S. another hug to you, | Now seriously I am losing all praise I had for you because you always have to make a point by bringing up and singling out one band with me which is not part of the discussion here! You have done this twice before, however I still praised your work on those topics but this stage is coming to an end for me now because quite frankly is making me see you in a less positive way.
Edited by Kati - January 29 2015 at 15:05
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SteveG
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 15:07 |
A wise old carpenter once said that a tree is known by it's fruit. Find a reviewer that relates to you and that you have trust in, and all will be well in the Land of Oz. It is the only path available.
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Kati
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 15:22 |
SteveG wrote:
Kati wrote:
Ban me if you wish, I find this all very silly.
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Sonia, you are gem among an ocean of rough stones. But you do throw me sometimes as you knock some silly posts but than post a few of your own. Don't worry, my wife is on your side. She keeps reminding me that it's a woman's prerogative! So she sends you many hugs and says that I don't deserve any! So from K. to you: (Yea, all you women stick together!)
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Hahahaha!!! SteveG K. is awesome, very funny too and I love her! Thank you very much, K. (Steve's very nice wife) That pic above is pun for MTV hehehe I actually love reading humour from others this make me smile and unfortunately also leave the topic and derail into silly things too I am a very happy nincompoop, you see A massive big hug to K. who is smart sweet funny aka your wife.
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SteveG
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 15:26 |
K. says "right back at you." (but I still have to sleep on the couch!)
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Kati
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 15:28 |
SteveG wrote:
A wise old carpenter once said that a tree is known by it's fruit. Find a reviewer that relates to you and that you have trust in, and all will be well in the Land of Oz. It is the only path available. |
He was a very wise man indeed SteveG, I love what you wrote above! Brilliant, this would be a fantastic slogan for i.e. P.A. and everywhere ~ Find a reviewer that relates to you and that you have trust in, and all will be well in the Land of Oz. ~ SteveG
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Kati
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 15:29 |
SteveG wrote:
K. says "right back at you." (but I still have to sleep on the couch!) |
hahahahahaha!!!!! I am laughing here so much, so funny Group hug
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SteveG
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 15:33 |
^Sounds good to me! (now I can sleep in bed!)
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Gerinski
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 17:39 |
I'm sorry Kati, I didn't mean to offend you, of course not, it's just that you have more than once posted reactions towards negative reviews from that band and I just got carried away thinking that this was also related to the same case.
Any review is by definition subjective, and we must allow critical comments if the reviewer honestly thinks so, but of course we must demand from reviewers to be polite, respectful, and articulate in their opinions. Just bashing an album without articulate reasoning is not acceptable.
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Vompatti
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 17:47 |
I recently heard from reliable sources that bands can pay money to have negative reviews removed from PA, is this true?
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HolyMoly
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Posted: January 29 2015 at 17:54 |
Vompatti wrote:
I recently heard from reliable sources that bands can pay money to have negative reviews removed from PA, is this true?
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