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xhamasaki 
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 Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:01 |
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What I'm saying, is why isn't it more popular than it is right now, not why isnt it more popular than other styles of music... When i was in highschool, the only people that listened to prog were people in the gifted program and music programs, maybe thats why i have a preconceived notion that only smart people/ musicians listen to prog?
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:01 |
 Trouserpress wrote:
Fantômas, xhamasaki - Please agree to differ.
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First off all, congratulations for your signature. Great bands there. I
tried to stop this absolutely silly discussion, but I can't. Seeing
people using bad arguments, and making me post the same thing again
again, makes me lost my mind. Sorry y'all guys... 
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And above all, is punk 
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:02 |
sstarless wrote:
Fantômas wrote:
But it's not more intelligent music
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what is intelligent music? |
Every music is intelligent. In a "popular catchy" way, or in a "selective" way. But none is more intelligent than other.
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:03 |
pssht you havent said anything either. I'm triyng to get other people to be involved and give me their opinions, but all i ahve is you to insult me and say the exact same thing over and over again. seriously, i didnt want to turn this into a flame war- my thoughts on why its not that popular is that mostly smart people listen to it and for lack of a better word, dumber people cant appreciate its complexity. It may sound pretentious but thats my explanation for it, based on personal experiences. That doesn't make me arrogant, it's just what ive seen/experienced
edit: so singing about "big pimpin'" and "In da club" and all the clone punk bands are intelligent? I beg to differ... maybe its intelligent in the way that those artists know that whatever they make can sell to people that are tools
Edited by xhamasaki
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:03 |
xhamasaki wrote:
What I'm saying, is why isn't it more popular than it
is right now, not why isnt it more popular than other styles of
music... When i was in highschool, the only people that listened to
prog were people in the gifted program and music programs, maybe thats
why i have a preconceived notion that only smart
people/ musicians listen to prog? |
Yes, you have a preconceived notion that just doesn't make sense.
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fractal
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:05 |
xhamasaki wrote:
sstarless i meant kc and the sunshine band- its the
group that made the song "shake shake shake, shake shake shake, shake
your bootie!" lol thats a lot of shakes. But- no those bands
weren't very popular (except pink floyd), how many number one hits did
they each have? Maybe one? That's not really POPULAR, atleast not
like other bands that can consistently have #1 hits |
Well, Jean Michel Jarre can gather thousands (if not millions) in
audience of his large outdoor concerts. Jean Michel Jarre is kinda
progressive too, right? 
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Klaatu Barada Nikto!
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:05 |
xhamasaki wrote:
pssht you havent said anything either. I'm
triyng to get other people to be involved and give me their opinions,
but all i ahve is you to insult me and say the exact same thing over
and over again. seriously, i didnt want to turn this into a flame
war- my thoughts on why its not that popular is that mostly smart
people listen to it and for lack of a better word, dumber people cant
appreciate its complexity. It may sound pretentious but thats my
explanation for it, based on personal experiences. That doesn't
make me arrogant, it's just what ive seen/experienced |
It shows you're no experienced enough. I'm sure you met intelligent
people that don't like progressive because it's boring (in their
opinion).
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:06 |
well it makes sense to me and alot of other people in this forum... so you're arguing with me because you feel its possible to be a tool and stupid and enjoy prog? Believe me, I know you arent stupid, because if you were you wouldnt be posting on this board. If you were stupid, you wouldnt appreciate the style of music honestly
edit: yes ive met smart people that didnt like prog, but thats NOT THE POINT OF THE THREAD... I'm not trying to say that prog is better than other styles of music, I'm trying to say that you ahve to have at least some intellect/ musical interest to get into it
Edited by xhamasaki
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:06 |
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Fantômas - Thanks for noticing my sig! Still, you're carrying when I think it'd be better for you to walk away for now.
xhamasaki - I can understand that you didn't want a flame war, but that's just what we have now, so drop it.
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sstarless
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:07 |
I was asking, what means an intelligent music?
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Io sono nato libero
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:10 |
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intelligent music is music where the focus is on things more deep than having sex with "hoes" and generic relationship songs
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Hammill
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:11 |
xhamasaki wrote:
Why isn't it more popular? It really
is probably the only truly creative, innovative and revolutionary
form of music, is it because people are just shallow and stupid?
I don't get it. I find it somewhat, I don't know how to say it,
funny?- that the people that listen to prog generally have a much
higher intellect and ability to understand things than people that
listen to very mainstream and MTV kinds of music. Is prog
really only for intelligent people? What do you guys think? |
excuse me my friend, but how can you say all that things? are you
talking seriously??? it does not mean that if someone listens to prog
that he is smarter than someone who does not listen. everything in life
is a matter of taste, and do not forget that prog was quite popular and
mainstream in the 70s. groups like elp, king crimson, genesis and many
more had many platinum records during that period. as years pass,
tastes and preferences change and it would be quite boring if all the
people had the same music tastes.
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Dreamer
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:11 |
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Wow, this thread turned into a mess... A bit of a shame.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:11 |
sstarless wrote:
I was asking, what means an intelligent music?
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Intelligent music is found in every genre. There are stupid prog songs, intelligent pop songs ... only dumb people bash genres.
PEACE
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fractal
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:12 |
Fantômas wrote:
Every music is intelligent. In a "popular catchy" way, or in a "selective" way. But none is more intelligent than other.
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I beg to differ. You are from Brazil like me. You certainly know
certain music genres that are... far less inspired than, say, bossa
nova or classic MPB (popular brazilian music).
Think a certain comercial-ass-shaking music that has no qualities of its own, just good looking dancers...
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Klaatu Barada Nikto!
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:13 |
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im not saying that someone who is a prog fan is smarter than other music fans, what im saying is that you ahve to be smart to get into the style of music
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:13 |
fractal wrote:
Fantômas wrote:
Every music is intelligent. In a "popular catchy" way, or in a "selective" way. But none is more intelligent than other.
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I beg to differ. You are from Brazil like me. You certainly know
certain music genres that are... far less inspired than, say, bossa
nova or classic MPB (popular brazilian music).
Think a certain comercial-ass-shaking music that has no qualities of its own, just good looking dancers...
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Thing is, you can even get intelligent dance music. Lemon Jelly, anyone?
Mike's right - only a moron bashes whole genres.
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sstarless
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:14 |
I would appreciate more precise explanation. Are you saying that inteligence of music is measured by the inteligence of its lyrical content?
I personally know what is an intelligent man or even animal or even machine evn a woman (  ) but music?
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Io sono nato libero
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:14 |
xhamasaki wrote:
im not saying that someone who is a prog fan is
smarter than other music fans, what im saying is that you ahve to be
smart to get into the style of music |
DROP IT.
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Dreamer
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:15 |
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I don't want to be provocative, but can you tell me a top quality rap artist? I am interested
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