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xhamasaki 
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 Topic: Why isn’t Prog more popular?
Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:44 |
Why isn't it more popular? It really is probably the only truly creative, innovative and revolutionary form of music, is it because people are just shallow and stupid? I don't get it. I find it somewhat, I don't know how to say it, funny?- that the people that listen to prog generally have a much higher intellect and ability to understand things than people that listen to very mainstream and MTV kinds of music. Is prog really only for intelligent people? What do you guys think?
Edit: Im not trying to say that prog fans are smarter that other fans, I'm saying that I think you have to be at least a LITTLE bit smart to get into it, which unfortunately IS a factor in why it's not popular.
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Dreamer
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:49 |
I've been thinking about the same thing. I know of no one outside my familly who listens to prog the way I do, but saying I am more inteligient is a lie.
Progressive music is challenging, it requires thought and time. People are just too lazy and closed minded. Open mindedness, in my opinion, is the most important thing.
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:50 |
yes xhamasaki, the people is shallow and stupid, their minds are closed, and their heads are thick as a brick
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:52 |
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Money talks these days.
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:53 |
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well im not trying to sound stuck up or anything, but if you compare the average person that listens to prog to the average person that listens to say... "fitty cent" (what a retard) or yellowcard/simple plan/ any clone punk band, the prog person is almost ALWAYS going to be 1) more intelligent, 2) probably older, 3) more mature
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:54 |
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i dont understand why record labels cant think to promote the styles of music that comprise prog. You'd think they could step out to people and be like: want to listen to something that is completely original, artistic, and probably like nothing you've ever heard before? Listen to this band ________, they are a progressive rock band
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:55 |
 xhamasaki wrote:
Why isn't it more popular? It really is probably the only truly creative, innovative and revolutionary form of music, is it because people are just shallow and stupid? I don't get it. I find it somewhat, I don't know how to say it, funny?- that the people that listen to prog generally have a much higher intellect and ability to understand things than people that listen to other kinds of music. Is prog really only for intelligent people? What do you guys think?
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so you are intelligent?
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:56 |
xhamasaki wrote:
Why isn't it more popular? It really
is probably the only truly creative, innovative and revolutionary
form of music, is it because people are just shallow and stupid?
I don't get it. I find it somewhat, I don't know how to say it,
funny?- that the people that listen to prog generally have a much
higher intellect and ability to understand things than people that
listen to other kinds of music. Is prog really only for
intelligent people? What do you guys think? |
I'll make you a favor, and I'll pretend I didn't read this amount of sh*t you wrote, ok?
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fractal
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:58 |
I find people complaining that progressive rock is pretentious, that it
has crazy lyrics or that it has no emotion (equals being "too
technical"). I don't agree with them on the last two arguments.
Concerning the argument of being pretentious, it might be true. But it
is still a hell lot better than crap most people listen to. 
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Klaatu Barada Nikto!
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:00 |
you know its true deep down inside, that alot of the people that listen to mainstream stuff that the record industry shoves down their throats are tools...
I'm not really trying to come off as arrogant, and I don't really mean it like that, but I do think of myself as intelligent for wanting to listen to a style of music that strays away from the average 2:50 pop song and I know deep down inside that alot of you people flaming me feel the same way
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Dreamer
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:00 |
xhamasaki wrote:
well im not trying to sound stuck up or anything, but if you compare the average person that listens to prog to the average person that listens to say... "fitty cent" (what a retard) or yellowcard/simple plan/ any clone punk band, the prog person is almost ALWAYS going to be 1) more intelligent, 2) probably older, 3) more mature |
I dont think age has anything to do with it. I am not even 16 yet, but have been listening to Pink FLoyd since i was 13, and Yes when I was 14. I think it has more to so with morality, and childhood experiences with music and in some way, culture. I find "MTV music" very uncultured.
Its got to do with people stepping out of the box the pop music has created. I had a few conversations recently and was amazed at how ignorant some of my freinds were about music in general. I talked about Mike Jacksons music, since of the current events you all know of, and he said "how can you say its bad music? look how many people listen to it!" I got so pis*ed and couldnt control my nerve any longer.
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:02 |
I don't like the whole "pretentious" argument certain people have against prog- it becomes like "oh so because i dont choose to listen to the same music as everyone else I'm pretentious?"
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:04 |
xhamasaki wrote:
you know its true deep down inside, that alot of
the people that listen to mainstream stuff that the record industry
shoves down their throats are tools...
I'm not really trying to come off as arrogant, and I don't really
mean it like that, but I do think of myself as intelligent for wanting
to listen to a style of music that strays away from the average 2:50
pop song and I know deep down inside that alot of you people flaming me
feel the same way |
Man, please, STOP! You already wrote sh*t enough on this topic, and this remind me why I don't like Prog Rock as many of you do.
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:05 |
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What did i say that was such "sh*t" ? Explain? So you think that people that enjoy listening to rap and bad punk rock/pop rock because other people say it's cool are intelligent and can think on their own?
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:06 |
xhamasaki wrote:
I don't like the whole "pretentious" argument
certain people have against prog- it becomes like "oh so because i dont
choose to listen to the same music as everyone else I'm pretentious?"
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Aren't you being pretentious, for hell?! Saying that only Prog Rock is
innovative, and saying you're glad to like it instead of like pop
music. So, only prog is good music, uh? Don't you realize how stupid
you're being? Grow up, boy.
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:06 |
Progressive rock becomes too complicated for the average music listener. Their minds can't handle such greatness. 
Plus it's not catchy. But no problem there.
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Fantômas
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:10 |
xhamasaki wrote:
What did i say that was such "sh*t" ?
Explain? So you think that people that enjoy listening to rap and
bad punk rock/pop rock because other people say it's cool are
intelligent and can think on their own? |
You're saying that progressive is the only innovative and good music.
Then go to hell with your fanatism, I just can't stand it. My english
isn't a great thing, and today is worst than ever, so I can't create a
bigger argument. Listenning to prog instead of punk DON'T MAKE YOU
BETTER THAN ANYBODY, this is a silly arrogant argument of yours. Public
Image Ltd. IF FAR MORE INTELLIGENT than Yes, and more inventive as well.
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xhamasaki
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:12 |
well for one fantomas, I'm older than you, but for me- I consider any type of music that is innotave is prog, because one definition of "progressive" is things that bring about change, that are innovative, etc. Thats why the people in the US during the early 1900s that wanted to bring about social change were called "progressives"
For me, my definition of prog is quite different than many people in these forums. I never said prog is the only good form of music, why are you putting words in my mouth? I dont really appreciate that coming from a 15 year old... I'm saying- why isn't the style of music more popular? Is it because people can't handle how complex/complicated? By that answer, doesnt that basically mean that they are less "intelligent"? Or is the style of music less popular because record labels figure they can keep forcing britney spears down peoples' throats because its more marketable- meaning prog just doesn't get much publicity?
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:12 |
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Different people want different things out of music. It's got nothing
to do with intellect or maturity - I've said in the past that prog fans
are snobbish and that's just the way things are but this thread is
painfully stuck up. I'm with Fantomas on this one.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:14 |
xhamasaki wrote:
What did i say that was such "sh*t" ? Explain? So you think that people that enjoy listening to rap and bad punk rock/pop rock because other people say it's cool are intelligent and can think on their own? |
There are many people that just say "I listen to genre XYZ and everything else sucks". They are convinced that their point of view is right, and don't listen to anyone who thinks different. That's mainly because they're scared that the others might be right.
The other type of music lover has no problem with other genres than the one he knows best. I think I am that way, just look at my signature. I might even add Dvorak, The Beautiful South, Meat Loaf and the Propellerheads, if it wasn't limited to 200 characters.
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