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bhikkhu 
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 Posted: January 04 2015 at 18:47 |
 dr prog wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
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Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks |
Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released? 
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Tulls outtakes and b sides are many of their best tracks? 50 of tulls best 100 songs are non album tracks. They weren't on the albums because Ian wanted to produce some commercial radio free songs for each album. That's the only reason I can come up with. |
You have to objective. Sure I'll collect anything released by my favorite bands, but 'collect' is the operative word. That's what I do with things I am passionate about. I have the Genesis Archives and am glad I do. I also have just about everything to be had that the Beatles did while tape was running. Does that mean they made a mistake not releasing it at the time? No way, they knew it was substandard material and put out the best stuff. The outtakes, remasters, etc. that we see are about one thing only, cashing in on a fan base that has put these artists on a pedestal.
Knowing this will not stop me from buying the ones that come around by favorites though. 
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 04 2015 at 18:49 |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Posted: January 04 2015 at 22:32 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
It's funny how Micky tries to convince people this is about the Pop Genesis, when as a fact it's about Prog Genesis
A perfect streak like Trespass>>>>Nursery Cryme>>>>>Foxtrot>>>>>SEBTP>>>>>>The Lamb...Is simply unbeatable.
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Well, for me Pink Floyd beats that streak easily, with Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, and yes, I guess I can include Meddle and The Wall too (though I would have to ignore Obscured by Clouds).
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 06:43 |
Jethro Toe
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 08:28 |
Dellinger wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
It's funny how Micky tries to convince people this is about the Pop Genesis, when as a fact it's about Prog Genesis
A perfect streak like Trespass>>>>Nursery Cryme>>>>>Foxtrot>>>>>SEBTP>>>>>>The Lamb...Is simply unbeatable.
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Well, for me Pink Floyd beats that streak easily, with Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, and yes, I guess I can include Meddle and The Wall too (though I would have to ignore Obscured by Clouds). |
Then it's not a streak.
BTW: I would have to include
a) Trespass b) Nursery (13) c) Foxtrot (5) d) SEBTP (3) e) The Lamb (44) f) A Trick of the Tail (49) g) Wind & Wuthering
- No band has that 7 streak, not a single bad album - 2 albums in the top 5 of PA - 5 in the top 50 - 6 in the top 126 - The 7 in the top 250 - 7 Continuous albums with an average over 4 stars
That hasn't been beaten, despite the haters and the Yes fanboys
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 05 2015 at 08:32
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Just checked with the Mrs and she give me the green light to purchase the 27 disc Starless box set from KC. I love it when a plan comes together.   |
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 09:16 |
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Genesis +1
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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digdug
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 11:17 |
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I could vote either way honestly
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Tull
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Prog On!
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 11:43 |
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Genesis.
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 One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 15:56 |
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For Peter's Genesis,not Philesis. JT is no slacker.
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 16:11 |
Genesis by several country miles
Tull like Floyd had strong blues roots but prog for me was about leaving that American thing behind and embracing European classical music. Genesis , ELP and Yes defined prog not Tull or Floyd in my view. Anderson though in trying to parody these bands ended up making one of the best prog albums ever. Very ironic to say the least. Floyd finally joined the band wagon with the brilliant Wish You Were Here but I don't see them as being the pioneers that Genesis were.
All very much IMO.
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 16:35 |
^Two Clappys, Richard. Spot on!
Edited by SteveG - January 05 2015 at 16:35
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 17:13 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
It's funny how Micky tries to convince people this is about the Pop Genesis, when as a fact it's about Prog Genesis
A perfect streak like Trespass>>>>Nursery Cryme>>>>>Foxtrot>>>>>SEBTP>>>>>>The Lamb...Is simply unbeatable.
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Who cares if this is about pop, prog, disco, country, jazz, zydeco, symphonic Genesis......I love early Tull, Aqualung is one of the best albums ever recorded by either.....but the whole Genesis catalog against the whole Tull catalog, it's shameful how bad Genesis mops the floor with Tull. To me this whole poll thing is about career vs career and catalog vs catalog...not a couple yrs here and there and cherry picking a few albums. Genesis for me.......next
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^The funny thing to me about the whole Genesis vs Tull deal is that Tull's TAAB ranks just a hair under Yes' CTTE for the best Prog album ever made, IMHO. If Tull had Rick Wakeman instead of John Evan, the ranking would be reversed.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 17:41 |
SteveG wrote:
^The funny thing to me about the whole Genesis vs Tull deal is that Tull's TAAB ranks just a hair under Yes' CTTE for the best Prog album ever made, IMHO. If Tull had Rick Wakeman instead of John Evan, the ranking would be reversed. |
Since I'm here, SEBTP, CTTE and Thick as a Brick have been all in first place for some time
The three albums are masterpieces and having an average of 0.01 of difference on several thousand reviews is minimal.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 17:45 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Who cares if this is about pop, prog, disco, country, jazz, zydeco, symphonic Genesis...... |
I care.
Not because of the genre, but because IMHO Genesis did bad boring adult contemporary POP.
Give me Rumors by Fleetwood Mac and I don't give a damn about the genre because it's a PERFECT album, but Invisible Touch is a shame and Illegal Alien is an insult to the name of the band.
Still, what Genesis did between FGTTR (Included) and ATOTT is enough to grant rthem an easy win
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 17:58 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Who cares if this is about pop, prog, disco, country, jazz, zydeco, symphonic Genesis...... |
I care.
Not because of the genre, but because IMHO Genesis did bad boring adult contemporary POP.
Give me Rumors by Fleetwood Mac and I don't give a damn about the genre because it's a PERFECT album, but Invisible Touch is a shame and Illegal Alien is an insult to the name of the band.
Still, what Genesis did between FGTTR (Included) and ATOTT is enough to grant rthem an easy win |
Its your opinion and I respect that a lot....but I don't think that pop era of Genesis was boring or bad, IMO it is some pretty good music and productions. Illegal Alien is questionable I agree, but most pop is at a minimum.
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 18:28 |
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Why can't Genesis fan boys behave more like DT fan boys and bugger off?
Sick of this lackluster band dominating this genre. It's good prog buried under awful singing from a guy in a stupid flower costume. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop building it into something it's not.
To be fair Jethro Tull is one of my favorite bands of all time but there's absolutely no doubt they made much more interesting music.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 18:59 |
manofmystery wrote:
Sick of this lackluster band dominating this genre. It's good prog buried under awful singing from a guy in a stupid flower costume. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop building it into something it's not. |
Well...For the vast majority of Prog listeners in the planet Genesis is the non plus ultra of Prog
Not because Gabriel or Hackett or Banks, but because the music they did together
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To be fair Jethro Tull is one of my favorite bands of all time but there's absolutely no doubt they made much more interesting music.
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Interesting for you.....This is a free forum.
I love Tull, but honestly, after a few minutes I get bored of this pastoral sound, no matter how much I love TAAB, I haven't listened the whole album in decades without getting sleepy.
Yesterday I got my copy of Marsbeli Kronikak II...Now that's Prog Folk of the best kind
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