JA's Surrealistic Pillow vs The Doors s/t debut

The Doors

Doors, I suppose.

Intruder wrote: Morrison is most remembered either by his photos or his Lenny Bruce wannabe exploits.....his music is slowly dying out and will probably be forgotten completely before very long.

Intruder wrote: I've never understood the popularity of the Doors or Morrison.  People who knew him say he was a clown with absolutely no musical talent - he didn't play, couldn't read music, and worried more about his appearance than about the band.  Even the band say he was a pain in the ass, but he was their meal ticket.  Morrison is most remembered either by his photos or his Lenny Bruce wannabe exploits.....his music is slowly dying out and will probably be forgotten completely before very long.  When I was a kid, they were huge, but my 18 year old musician nephew had never even heard them, but he has seen the Doors logo and Morrison photos.   Doors - hugely overrated.  Wish Manzerek and the boys had left Morrison to his own devices 'cause some of their music shows talent.

U-u-uh ... he had a voice. And it worked with the music. That was enough for me.

Dayvenkirq wrote: Intruder wrote: I've never understood the popularity of the Doors or Morrison.  People who knew him say he was a clown with absolutely no musical talent - he didn't play, couldn't read music, and worried more about his appearance than about the band.  Even the band say he was a pain in the ass, but he was their meal ticket.  Morrison is most remembered either by his photos or his Lenny Bruce wannabe exploits.....his music is slowly dying out and will probably be forgotten completely before very long.  When I was a kid, they were huge, but my 18 year old musician nephew had never even heard them, but he has seen the Doors logo and Morrison photos.   Doors - hugely overrated.  Wish Manzerek and the boys had left Morrison to his own devices 'cause some of their music shows talent. U-u-uh ... he had a voice. And it worked with the music. That was enough for me.

I honestly think that the idea of music/musician is being mis-represented and at the same time over rated.

Does the person that run a Hospital have to be a Doctor? NO.

Does a person that couldn't give a sh*t about musicians with over rated knowledge of their keys and scores, not help a musician learn how to use his notes and scores?

YES is your answer.

And this is the part that we are not willing to accept and understand. Nothing against the other 3 folks with The Doors, but separately they had no ability that no one else had before ... nothing new under the sun. But together, with a man that had VISION instead of music, they ended up with several outstanding albums of material that is right away special and amazing!

Sometimes it takes a vision ... not music! And this is what today's music is missing! It's too composed, for it to have a soul and vision behind it that is more than a supposed idea because CMaj is supposed to be happy ... and you no longer pay attention to the mood and the playing behind it anymore!

WAKE UP ... as Jim would have said!

Sorry ... Jefferson Airplane is special and I have a lot of their work, but they are not one half as powerful and detailed in their literacy than the Doors wver were, and that is the part that many folks here don't like! Too smart for them and they don't know the meaning of the images, and some of them scare the living sheep dip out of you!

The Doors by a long shot!!! 

Edited by Michael678 - December 24 2014 at 14:01

Jim was the man! One of the most powerful voices in rock that has been copied about a million times since, but no one reaches his 'boom'. No one, although Brendan Perry comes pretty close.
The Doors were infinitely more than the front cover of Jim in his leather pants though. They had an entirely unique sound. A flamenco/blues guitarist, a classically trained pianist/organ player, a jazz drummer and then topping it all off - a wild son of a gun with lyrical influences stretching as far as Sophocles, Baudelaire, Celiné, Nietszche, Kerouac to film and contemporary art scenes - all of it wrapped up in a highly provocative and abstract manner.
The Doors as a unity though was probably one of the most progressive bands of the 60s. Proof? Listen to The End and then imagine hearing it in 1967.

Dayvenkirq wrote: Abstrakt wrote: Going for Surrealistic Pillow, because it needs more votes! ?  ? I say: The Doors' debut. Oh, s$%t, man, 'Crystal Ship', 'Alabama Song', 'Light My Fire' ... I don't remember anything on the Airplane's effort that could beat that.

The Doors certainly have their appeal and there are a few songs I love. But Jefferson Airplane have a longer history with me. Though it's basically After Bathing at Baxter's and Surrealistic Pillow that I like plus a little from Crown of Creation and the debut.