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    Posted: June 15 2005 at 03:18

i bet not one can distinguish petrucci from any other highly skilled METAL(yeah, i said it) guitarist out there.

zappa on the other hand, was flambouyant and virtuosic to no extent, and was undeniably the most musically talented, somewhat mainstream, prog musician ever (or of those that ive heard)

he was even better than hendrix.

(im not blasting anyone in particular, just sharing thoughts)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 03:32

Not blasting anyone? Yet of ALL the guitarists in the prog world you had to pick John Petrucci.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 03:34
Are you saying no one could distinguish Petrucci from say Chuck Shuldiner (RIP)? Or Van Halen? Or Jarzombek? Or whichever of Jason Gobel/Paul Masvida did more guitars in Cynic? That's absurd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 03:36

Zappa blows away most rock guitarists. Period!

I can take or leave a lot of his music, but as an inovator and a musical p!ss taker he wears the crown.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 04:04
Petrucci has an extremely recognizable style.  A few weeks ago, someone posted a clip of an unrecognized song, and I'd never heard it either, but after listening to it, I realized it was Petrucci's playing, so some research led to me realizing it was from his brand new solo album.  So you're wrong on THAT count.

However, Zappa *does* blow him and many others away.  Way to be ignorant about metal guitarists, though, many of them have very unique styles.  Douche. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:05

Are you delirious? Your post is absolutely senseless!

You are comparring two different worlds, it's something completely different!

Jimi Hendrix? He was the first, he reinvented the electric guitar but everyone nowaday (Petrucci, Vai, Morse...etc..) is tecnically much better than JH!

...so Zappa was a music genius, but for what concern guitar tecnique he was'nt able to do a solo like modern prog guitarists, that's the fact! He was an old school guitarist, and of course a musical genius!!!

And John Petrucci is probably the most unique guitarist in prog metal scene he is really unique and personal!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 09:43
You're like comparing Chuck Berry and Snoop Dog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 09:48
Petrucci is a "shredder", very technical in "sweeping" but that's all. He is a good metal guitarist but Zappa is by fare more talented, moreover he get the soul and have a stRong feeling that Petrucci dosen't have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 09:51

I agree that Zappa blows away most other guitarists.

To me, it is that his solos are interesting, and are, at least the released instances, actually the compositions of the moment that Zappa was striving to achieve. His solos don't feel like traditional solos, they feel like an additional movement of the piece, not just linking devices or intrumental bridges.

There are obviously other examples of guitarists who have done this, but Zappa's work always seems to me to be the least 'safe', in so far as non-jazz pieces are concerned.

Just my opinion....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 09:55

better then Jimmi Hendrix? yesiree bob. zappa certainly did reinvent not only an instrument but all popular music also.

Bad comparison.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 09:59
Pointless comparison, I agree, but I have to admit I've never seen all the fuss about Zappa's guitar playing. I rate him much higher as a COMPOSER than I do as a musician.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 10:05
I disagree with the thread topic. Zappa does not blow away Petrucci at all. In fact I prefer Petrucci to Zappa's aimless doodling!...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 10:27

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Petrucci has an extremely recognizable style.  A few weeks ago, someone posted a clip of an unrecognized song, and I'd never heard it either, but after listening to it, I realized it was Petrucci's playing, so some research led to me realizing it was from his brand new solo album.  So you're wrong on THAT count.

However, Zappa *does* blow him and many others away.  Way to be ignorant about metal guitarists, though, many of them have very unique styles.  Douche. 

Zappa owns other players as far as truely inventive improvising is concerned. His solos may seem like aimless noodling, but when you take a closer look you'll find that most of what he's playing really makes sense and is not just built from a collection of licks. Few other players manage that, maybe Hendrix, Jeff Beck and Scott Henderson (and others I may not know).

I agree that Petrucci is extremly recognizable. His alternate picking and sweeping are as unique as are his chords in clean passages.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 11:59
Zappa was one of the largest influences on prog and techincal music, but he didn't really set out to be real shredder - that side of guitar was really yet to be seen until guys like Van Halen and Satch came along in the eities. Petrucci, on the other hand is using many different, areas of music, to create something technical, but probably the only reason its original is because DT is a very technically skilled band and they can achieve many things deemed impossible. I think i would say (and i think they would to) that they aren't pushing the boundaries of prog music except in a shredding sense (ie they're not really truely original like Zappa was). But it's like comparing chalk and cheese - there is no comparison at all. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 12:18
Isn't it wonderful that our lives are enriched by two such gifted musicians!  How can you even compare the two guitarists?  They are just so different!  It's like comparing Steve Hackett with Steve Vai?  They are just so different and their style fits perfectly the sort of music they play. 

When Zappa wanted a shredder he called on Vai, in any case.

I defy anyone to listen to Zappa's "Watermelon in Easter Hay" (any version!) and not be moved....

I also defy anyone to listen to Dream Theater's "As I Am" and not get blown away by Petrucci's playing.

Vive la difference!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 12:23
As Syd Barrett would say:

Apples And Oranges
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 13:31

Originally posted by wrax wrax wrote:

When Zappa wanted a shredder he called on Vai, in any case.

Steve Vai and Mike Keneally were his "stunt guitarists". The greatest stunts being Approximate and Drowning Witch. I wonder how many people think that was played by Zappa ...

Speaking of Vai: Two of his archives albums are devoted exclusively to Zappa. One features the various songs he played with/for Zappa, the other one features Mike Keneally playing selected Zappa songs on the piano. GREAT stuff!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:28

Originally posted by Ben2112 Ben2112 wrote:

As Syd Barrett would say:

Apples And Oranges

And you can't compare those?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:36
Not on the merits of which is a better apple or orange...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:43

So, which do you think are better? Apples or oranges? I'm in favour of apples, personally.

 

 

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