Kati wrote: Ok I'll make this easy in order to end the debate. For those whole believe Miles Davis was or was not at the forefront of prog being one of the pioneers, here's an essay for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_fusion Considering you all love to write, I dare you to write one based on this wiki page while researching the topic via other sources on the net to come up with your own explanatory conclusion based on facts. Group hug to you all inc hugs to all naughty corner ones and hugs to the aaaahhhhh's cutchy cutchy just too aaaahhhh wonderful  ones who happen to think the same as me. hihihihi/ I might be wrong but I sincerely doubt this More group hugs

I only have Bitches Brew (yeah, bandwagon hopper) and it's Prog enough for me. Just that trumpet is not a choice instrument I like very much. True story !!

Indeed - the sexyphone - um, saxomophone for sure. Even trombone....

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rogerthat wrote: Kati wrote: rogerthat wrote: Kati wrote: Ok I'll make this easy in order to end the debate. For those whole believe Miles Davis was or was not at the forefront of prog being one of the pioneers, here's an essay for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_fusion Considering you all love to write, I dare you to write one based on this wiki page while researching the topic via other sources on the net to come up with your own explanatory conclusion based on facts. Group hug to you all inc hugs to all naughty corner ones and hugs to the aaaahhhhh's cutchy cutchy just too aaaahhhh wonderful  ones who happen to think the same as me. hihihihi/ I might be wrong but I sincerely doubt this More group hugs Is an essay really required, though?  The wiki page itself prominently cites Miles Davis's role in the birth of fusion.  It would be more interesting to hear from those who deny his role in inventing said genre, as to how they would rebut the statements on the wiki page. Rogerthat you clever soda!  yes true, but as an effort for the group topic we all could contribute and make it sound fun thus a positive experience and not a shore for all  massive hug to you xxxx And a hug for you too.

rogerthat wrote: No music, just at the moment.  Was actually watching a tennis lesson on the slice backhand.

rogerthat wrote: I can empathise.  Mine lacks control, I don't think even the Lord Almighty knows where my slice is going to land.  Hence I watch all these amazing free online lessons to learn to hit it better.

I don't even know why people might think jazz rock is somehow on the outer limit/borderline of prog rock.  Maybe from a narrow symph prog point of view, but how can people not see the links between Canterbury and jazz rock?  Are we now going to say that Canterbury was not one of the quintessential prog movements of the 70s? Because a fair few Canterbury bands actually went into all out fusion in the mid-late 70s, Gong being a particularly good example.  Likewise, some of 90s prog metal, esp DT when they had Derek Sherinian, had connections to contemporaneous fusion.  A lot of fusion from that epoch sounds noticeably heavier and harder than 70s fusion.  There may be some jazz rock acts that don't fit too well in the context of prog as this website understands it, but the sub genre as such definitely has a place in PA.

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Not prog, definitely jazz. I think that "Jazz/fusion" should be under a separate one of those "proto-prog" headings (in yellow) - doesn't fit in with the other genres at all. Miles was inspirational to a lot of bands for sure, but you might as well as have classical music or blues if he was only really influential to progressive music.