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tamijo 
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 Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:45 |
 Finnforest wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Argonaught wrote:
^ what are your thoughts on this one below: he liked the album, the music is good, the sound is great, so let's see what happens if we slap it with a 2-star rating .. yay, it worked!
Do you also think that TER is for hardcore PF fans only? Not for every one of them, though:
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Is there anyone who seriusly care about the ratings ? Everyone know its so full of manipulations and misunderstandings.
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Wrong. Dean has explained in painstaking detail that all of the "ratings manipulations" do not amount to a hill of beans. Even though people think they are making a big difference by doing it, he showed the math which suggests that non-weighted, non-reviewing ratings make almost no difference to an albums overall score. Especially an album with several collab reviews under its belt.
Frankly, I agree with your first sentence, for different reasons...but the reason you give in your second sentence is not really a factor.
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Ok, I wont argue with the math.
I have
given up on the idear that Music is like a contest, looking for winners and
loosers, and being disappointed if my favorites get a low score. But I can
understand it, its only natural.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Finnforest
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:49 |
^And I'm with you on that my friend. I couldn't care less about "ratings" and competition. I'd be very happy to see the site drop ratings and do only reviews.
My only point was that people who are aware of how little these "manipulations" matter to the overall standings should not lose sleep. It's a non issue.
Edited by Finnforest - December 10 2014 at 12:51
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 13:31 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
After all that, I can agree with a 2 rating - for collectors/fans - it doesn't say it's good or bad, it could well be an excellent album for collectors/fans..... Me, I'd rate it a solid 4 - excellent addition to any Prog collection. A 2 is almost better than a 3,- good, but non- essential...... |
I can see what you are saying, but most of the people see numeric ratings on PA and elsewhere as notches on a linear scale scale:
1 is awful (in my definition, "non-music") 2 is bad 3 is a passing grade .. so-so .. average .. if I don't (didn't) have it already, I may never buy it 4 is good (nice-to-have; should buy as soon as I can) 5 is great (must-have)
In other words, for 99% of people who see 2 on the scale from 1 to 5 will interpret it as "bad", which PA substituted with a PC euphemism "for fans only".
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Barbu
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 13:31 |
Finnforest wrote:
I'd be very happy to see the site drop ratings and do only reviews. |
Ah, no problem with that but if we drop ratings only, foreign language reviews must be accepted, Finn. Nobody wants PA to become an elite country club, isn't it?
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Finnforest
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 14:31 |
No problem there Martin, just a pipe dream anyway. Ratings are not going anywhere, we know that. 
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AEProgman
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 16:31 |
Listened to this again today while strolling through a shopping mall, while being bombarded by Holiday commercialism, it was like talking to an old friend again. On opening notes, you know right away who it is. It makes me smile... My rating - I like it
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 22:44 |
^ A 2 then ?? 
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 23:53 |
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About ratings... I do like the idea of them and use them a lot. Why? Because reading a bunch of reviews from every albun of an artist I'm interested in takes a lot of time, and then each person has their own opinions, and they are not necessarily the same for the writer as for the reader, so in order to form an opinion about how much the taste of the writer is compatible with your own, you might also need to read many reviews from each writer too. On the other hand, numbers are easy, and they point you in a direction to start with. You check out the highest rated albums first, check out some of the reviews, and if it convinces you you buy that album. Then, depending on what you think about said album, you can go on with the next ones. Besides, ratings work on statistics, and they don't lie nor are they prejudiced... well, not so easily at least. They are not perfect either, nor should they be taken as the only way to search for music, but they are a very useful tool.
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 03:19 |
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4 Stars for me.
I honestly find it tough to figure out how anyone could give this a 2, not that I'm bothered in the slightest. I do my best to ignore the ratings and use reviews when weighing up possible purchases. I just find the reviews of reviewers I know and trust and go from there.
It's more "real" Floyd than the last 2 albums in my opinion. As a nostalgic reflection through their career it's a perfect way to say adieu.
If you like Floyd you are guaranteed to like this, if you don't then you won't.
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Catcher10
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 23:21 |
Edited by Catcher10 - December 11 2014 at 23:21
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 11 2014 at 23:34 |
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^ It's a beauty !! The inner gatefold of the 3 of them jamming away on the Astoria (by the look of it) is just perfect !! I stare at it for ages........just Floyd..........
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jude111
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 08:29 |
Barbu wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I'd be very happy to see the site drop ratings and do only reviews. |
Ah, no problem with that but if we drop ratings only, foreign language reviews must be accepted, Finn. Nobody wants PA to become an elite country club, isn't it? |
Wow, non-English reviews aren't allowed? That's quite a pity; I never realized that.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 10:06 |
jude111 wrote:
Barbu wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I'd be very happy to see the site drop ratings and do only reviews. |
Ah, no problem with that but if we drop ratings only, foreign language reviews must be accepted, Finn. Nobody wants PA to become an elite country club, isn't it? |
Wow, non-English reviews aren't allowed? That's quite a pity; I never realized that. |
Yeah, If they were and you had to use a translator then other problems arise. The composition gets ruined. We used to have an infamous guy around here who wrote reviews in his native language and then used an online translator before posting. While it did make for extremely entertaining reading they were useless for reviewing purposes.
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 10:45 |
bhikkhu wrote:
We used to have an infamous guy around here who wrote reviews in his native language and then used an online translator before posting. While it did make for extremely entertaining reading they were useless for reviewing purposes. |
These should have kept, perhaps not as reviews, but in a separate non-music section, for entertainment and bona fide educational purposes .. "see, Jr., that's how we do not speak" :)
It would be fun, wouldn't it, if some reviews were written in Newspeak (soundcrime, unmusic, doubleplusungood instead of 1-star etc). Perhaps I should try to smuggle a few words of this nature into my essay next time I get around to reviewing something 
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 11:01 |
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I think the guy was Japanese. Really difficult to read his reviews. He did a few Chicago reviews......very hard to make heads or tails of them.......
'Kazuhiro' I think he went by. Looks like a straight translation.....
Edited by Tom Ozric - December 12 2014 at 11:07
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AEProgman
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 14:05 |
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^ A 2 then ?? |
No, my "like" is a 3 to 4 range. Closer to 4 in this case! Right now, my favorite "Side" is Side 2, I am sure it will change with each listen...
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 15:56 |
^ Oh, it will ....... I always come back to Side 3 - that Talkin' Hawkin' is just tops......
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SteveG
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 15:59 |
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Half stars would be excellent. Like the 2.5 stars that I think this album deserves.
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 16:02 |
^^ And Autumn '68 
Edited by Meltdowner - December 12 2014 at 16:02
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 12 2014 at 16:10 |
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^ .....book-ended with Allons-y I &II - just WOW !!
Still, I wouldn't say the album is a 'masterpiece', but it sure is excellent.
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