Round 1 Rome Bracket: Dream Theater v. Caravan

No vote.  Haven't been compelled to listen to either band in a long time, really.

rushfan4 wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: rushfan4 wrote: I am quite shocked that this is such a blowout.  I am led to wonder how many of the votes are as much a vote against DT as they are for Caravan.  Caravan had so little impact in the USA.  I'm pretty certain I have never heard them mentioned anywhere outside of PA.  Their box set Canterbury Tales was my gateway to this band.  I had read about them back in the day, but their music was not available in local stores until this box set came about.  what has their impact on MickyMouse Land got to do with things? First off:  Excuse me but what is with the insults.  We are a pleasant enough country to except your sorry ass royals for a visit.  And secondly, the world revolves around what goes on here in the USA.  Everyone knows that.

It was a friendly dig at your seemingly US Centric post. Please take the Royals off our hands! But are you not the Land Of MickyMouse?  Rather than GreyandPink?

rushfan4 wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: rushfan4 wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: rushfan4 wrote: I am quite shocked that this is such a blowout.  I am led to wonder how many of the votes are as much a vote against DT as they are for Caravan.  Caravan had so little impact in the USA.  I'm pretty certain I have never heard them mentioned anywhere outside of PA.  Their box set Canterbury Tales was my gateway to this band.  I had read about them back in the day, but their music was not available in local stores until this box set came about.  what has their impact on MickyMouse Land got to do with things? First off:  Excuse me but what is with the insults.  We are a pleasant enough country to except your sorry ass royals for a visit.  And secondly, the world revolves around what goes on here in the USA.  Everyone knows that.  It was a friendly dig at your seemingly US Centric post. Please take the Royals off our hands! But are you not the Land Of MickyMouse?  Rather than GreyandPink? We are as much the land of Micky D's as we are of Mickey Mouse.  That being said, I am probably making your argument for you.   My post is US Centric, because I am US Centric, but moreso probably just Michigan-centric since that is all that I can really speak for.  And from my point of view, Dream Theater have had a bigger impact than Caravan.  And people may complain about DT's last two or three albums, but when is the last time Caravan released anything worthwhile?  1976?  I can't speak for their 2014 release because they have failed to release it in the US.

McDs maybees?  I guess being a prog site we're not going to vote based on the most recent output of such and such band.  And as we don't all come from Michegan we might not all vote in the same Michegan educated manner.  Having said that the gap does surprise me but, then previous posts seem to address that - purely for my own point of view I wouldn't vote against another band even if it was 1 Direction.  I am still waiting for the 1D v VDGG match up.

I suppose that in the wider world Dream Theatre might be a much bigger deal than Caravan.  But I suspect in our own little subsect , Caravan are concidered much more important.  I do understand you quizing other's motives for voting Canterbury but, I don't think that would explain the huge gap in voting.


Edited by akamaisondufromage - December 08 2014 at 14:44

Like a good amount of DT, dislike some of DT. Like what I've heard by Caravan a decent amount, but I don't think I've heard enough to vote.

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Caravan are a significant if lesser known band in the development of progressive rock in the 70's. My personal view is that there are few DT fanboys here than previously. That and DT being crap.

There are fewer DT fanboys here and my view is that your dislike for them is your loss, but to each their own and all that jazz.

Rome? Lima? Would you believe Poughkeepsie?

rushfan4 wrote: I am quite shocked that this is such a blowout.  I am led to wonder how many of the votes are as much a vote against DT as they are for Caravan.  Caravan had so little impact in the USA.  I'm pretty certain I have never heard them mentioned anywhere outside of PA.  Their box set Canterbury Tales was my gateway to this band.  I had read about them back in the day, but their music was not available in local stores until this box set came about.

to speak to what rushfan4 has been saying:
As an American who has just turned 30 I absolutely love Caravan and recognize that prog was basically born in England and at least 90% of the legends of the genre are from merry old England.  Also, I have absolutely no use for Dream Theater or any metal in my prog and view my country's contributions to prog, beyond Frank Zappa, Yezda Urfa, and Arabesque, as suspect at best.  You neither have to be old nor English to feel that metal should be a disqualifying term instead of a subgenre.  Also, it seems really odd to be using public popular opinion as an argument within a forum devoted to a genre that public popular opinion has largely cast into the shadows.  Given what charts here in the US, though I hardly think it's limited to us, if a prog band were to pop up it would make me more suspicious of their credentials than anything else.  I can't imagine a prog fan looking at pop music charts in the first place, though.


Edited by manofmystery - December 08 2014 at 20:44

The statistics you provide just prove to show how depressingly deep the metal infestation is in prog.  Although, maybe, just maybe, the fact that their representative in this poll is being pummeled gives some hope for a brighter tomorrow.