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cstack3 
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 Posted: November 01 2014 at 20:17 |
Prog destroys metal.
End of argument.
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Kentucky_Hawkwindage
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Posted: November 01 2014 at 20:21 |
 SteveG wrote:
^My wife keeps shouting Black Sabbath because we met at a Sabbath concert! Ok, dear:
Black Sabbath!
It's only one reason but for her it's enough!
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Dam your lucky to have a wife shouting for Black Sabbath-my ex was just the opposite! 
Edited by Kentucky_Hawkwindage - November 01 2014 at 20:21
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"Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me
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tszirmay
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Posted: November 01 2014 at 21:03 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Metal eclipses prog from a popularity perspective only. As long a you are prepared to move out of the Symph - neo space into psyche, RIO, Zeuhl, Metal, Fusion there's loads of good stuff going on and plenty to explore. I like a lot of Metal but it tends to be the instrumental stuff with an avant edge.
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Exactly! Its a simpler more immediate, physical form of prog. Better singers, YES absolutely without a question but for the rest I beg to differ ! bass in prog is miles ahead, jazz drummers are way more "groovy" and keyboards are not even worth contesting ! Guitarists are probably even, but many can crossover to either side (Fripp, Satriani, Vai, Lifeson etc....).
Plus metal, like blues and jazz is way better appreciated in a live setting . Prog is earphone heaven, a personal experience.
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Argonaught
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Posted: November 01 2014 at 22:08 |
BrufordFreak wrote:
My top 10 list in disagreement with the OP's assertion: 1. The definition of metal is too ambiguous. 2. Led Zeppelin is a blues band. 3. Most metal, like "Hocus Pocus," makes me laugh and, therefore, is difficult to be taken seriously. 4. Most metal if listened to in order to hear all of its layers, makes my brain hurt 5. By "eclipses" do you mean "to place [prog] in its shadow"? If so, I don't see it. Maybe a partial eclipse--like at sunset, when I put my skinny fist up in the air between the sun and the rising blood moon on the horizon behind me . . . that kind of eclipse. 6. Masaru Emoto has scientifically demonstrated (Messages from Water) that metal music is deleterious to the integrity of structures that support health and well-being. (A moment of silence, please, for the Oct 17 passing of this compassionate human being.) 7. Christopher Bird (The Secret Life of Plants) scientifically demonstrated that metal music is deleterious and to the health and well-being of living things. 8. Metal artists must be without compassion otherwise they would not play music that purposely makes people's ears and brains hurt. 9. Life is too short to waste time on trying to figure out what metal artists are trying to say with their music 10. Metal is a passing phase that one grows out of once one figures out how to enjoy peace, quiet, and silence. Am I right, or am I right?
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#1. The definitions of 'definition' and of 'ambiguous' are ambiguous as well #2. Agreed #3. Some smirk-worthy stuff here: http://weknowmemes.com/2012/05/heavy-metal-band-name-generator/ #4. Self-inflicted misery ## 6 & 7. So is love #9. Does anyone try to do that?
#10. My impression as well. I never "loved" metal to begin with; I do have a dozen or two albums, but I haven't played them for decades. Literally.
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 01 2014 at 22:25 |
dr prog wrote:
Sabbath only had 2 metal songs in the 70s and I don't really like those |
 Heaven and Hell was released in 1979 and the whole album was metal.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 01 2014 at 22:31 |
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So were Paranoid, MOR, Vol4, SBS and Sabotage when they were released, it's revisionist to say they weren't.
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Ian
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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 01 2014 at 22:33 |
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Absolutely. Just saying that even if his point is "only NWOBHM onwards is real metal", they did that too.
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dr prog
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 00:20 |
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Heaven and hell was heavy/hard rock. Not metal
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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dr prog
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 00:22 |
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The song Sab bloody Sab is metal. Weakest song on the album
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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SolarChaser
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 06:19 |
dr prog wrote:
The song Sab bloody Sab is metal. Weakest song on the album |
No, it's not metal. The whole album (including the title track) is far from metal. Sabbath's first 4 albums have a lot of tracks, which are a lot more metal (while still not beign actual metal) than that one. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath has even those soft, jazzy passages. Not saying it's a bad song, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is my fav Black Sabbath album.
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 06:20 |
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It's very interesting that he thinks Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is metal but not Heaven and Hell. Ah, ze doctor's opinions never cease to amaze me.
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Stool Man
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 06:42 |
Apart stupid vocals, stupid guitar w**kery, and a tendency to subdivide itself into numerous subgenres which all sound the blimmin' same to most of us, I quite like metal. But it's inferior to Prog Folk, it's inferior to Space Rock, it's inferior to Avant Garde, it's inferior to Canterbury, it's inferior to Kosmische, it's inferior to Prog Funk/Soul, and it's inferior to ...oh, y'know, that other one people go on and on and on about.... in my opinion 
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 08:19 |
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You guys clearly think Metal started a lot later than the early 70's. It got a lot heavier as it evolved but those 70's bands were certainly known as Metal at the time.
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Ian
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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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zravkapt
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 08:22 |
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Metal began on August 7, 2003...everybody knows that. Everything before that was 'soft rock'. Master Of Puppets is a classic Soft Rock album.
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Magma America Great Make Again
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 08:24 |
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I think of Motorhead - No Sleep Til Hammersmith as soft rock.
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Ian
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Raff
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 08:29 |
Oh yes, and Slayer's Reign in Blood is my favourite candlelit dinner music !
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Icarium
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 08:41 |
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I think imo that if you just watch some of the episodes of Sam Dunns "Metal Evolution" spessialy early metal, progresive metal, and UK scene, and probably also thrash metal part, you get a sence as where both prog and metal have similar parants, but also how they ditract and what makes the metal society so facinating, i have not been to Wacken but its something to do if you would like to observe the metal crowd, and go to a prog-fest and then compare, neither of them beets comic-con though :/ in dedication XD
Edited by Icarium - November 02 2014 at 08:42
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SteveG
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 13:02 |
cstack3 wrote:
Prog destroys metal.
End of argument. |
OMG! I better warn Ozzy, Geezer and Tony, ASAP!
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 13:06 |
SteveG wrote:
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Opeth
- Meshuggah
- Athiest
- Death
- Cynic
- Between the Buried and Me
- Delinger Escape Plan
- Voivod
- Enslaved
- Edge of Insanity
Ten more reasons why metal eclipses prog. 
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Hmm....the only band on that list I can listen to is Opeth, and mostly the later ones by them. I must be hardwired to dislike 'metal'.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 02 2014 at 13:18 |
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Here's five cogent reasons:
1. The growling loosens one's bowels.
2. Lars Ulrich is such an articulate advocate of the genre.
3. The double basses keep many in the drum industry employed.
4. Satanic lyrics are so profound, even if you can't understand what the vocalist is singing.
5. It makes 14 year-olds feel rebellious.
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