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Kati 
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 21:29 |
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I'd take Kate over Annie any day so sure. |
  
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 22:01 |
Dellinger wrote:
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Argonaught wrote:
... which kind of proves the point that "prog" is of men, by men, and for menKate Bush would probably be the most imperial female figure of prog, if she had anything to do with prog (alternative eclectic art-pop isn't quite prog). Anneke v G is a royal character of magnitude, but she is a bit of an outlander in the prog realm. That said, the Queen of England is German, and so was Catherine the Great of Russia. Go figure .. Marjana is too young, and Hiromi is just way too good (and too busy being the Princess of Electric Fusion)Annie wins, therefore, and not by default. She is the only one I can think of who is a fantastic music-maker, not weird, incontestably "prog", and has done more than enough to earn the title. |
I am a huge AH fan and, if I switched on full-fanboy mode, would say she beats most prog vocalists and not just the female ones. But even by your specious non weird criteria, which appears designed to exclude Krause and Knapp, Heather Findlay and Christina Murphy would also fulfil those criteria, as does Rachel Cohen
Annie may be a better singer but she's not the only one as per those criteria. |
However, Renaissance is still the most famous female fronted prog band. Specially if we consider full prog bands, and even more so, from the golden era of prog (the 70's, of course), so, indeed I consider Annie to be the queen of prog. And indeed, for me she is among the very best prog singers, male or female. Among my top 5 at least, and at this point I wouldn't be able to put them in order. |
No argument that they are indeed the most famous female fronted prog rock band. I was only pointing out, with reference to what he said, that she's not the only one who meets those criteria. The most notable among singers who meet those criteria, yes.
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Kati
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 22:22 |
Renaissance, much respect! I am not very familiar with female vocalists, all I know from Annie is that she is a 5 octave singer (singers are a particular taste to anyone, vocals range not necessary important in this case) and she is a painter of arts. I do not know much more about her. I am not particular fond of her vocals and much more prefer the one who turned Babooshka into a sexy word instead of Grandma  
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 23:31 |
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At this tenure in my Prog life, I think that the beautiful Christina Booth, IS the current 'queen' of Prog. And I wish her more-than-well in recovery from her health issues.....
She has a voice that soars, beauty and aggression all backed up by wonderful Progressive music......couldn't think of anything better.......
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 07:20 |
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Speaking of five octaves, I wish they didn't publicise Annie's range so much as there's a lot more to her singing than just range but the other aspects seem to get obscured. Her rendition of If I Loved You compares favourably with even that of such legends as Sarah Vaughan. Most prog singers have an instrument that's useful only in the context of their band or solo compositions. Annie, like Gildenlow, can make songs sung by other singers her own. That's tough.
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Argonaught
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 08:35 |
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Queen consort?
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 09:17 |
rogerthat wrote:
I am a huge AH fan and, if I switched on full-fanboy mode, would say she beats most prog vocalists and not just the female ones. But even by your specious non weird criteria, which appears designed to exclude Krause and Knapp, Heather Findlay and Christina Murphy would also fulfil those criteria, as does Rachel Cohen
Annie may be a better singer but she's not the only one as per those criteria. |
The "non-weird criteria" was not designed to exclude Krause and Knapp, because I don't know who they be. Unless you mean the lovely and 100% wholesome Alison Krauss 
Also, are you sure you are using the word "specious" correctly? I have always thought that specious referred to a idea that looks legit on outside, but is based either on an hidden ulterior motive, or on a fallacy, or both. For example, environmental taxes have a lot more to do with raising revenues than with the environment.
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 21:50 |
progbethyname wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Argonaught wrote:
... which kind of proves the point that "prog" is of men, by men, and for menKate Bush would probably be the most imperial female figure of prog, if she had anything to do with prog (alternative eclectic art-pop isn't quite prog). Anneke v G is a royal character of magnitude, but she is a bit of an outlander in the prog realm. That said, the Queen of England is German, and so was Catherine the Great of Russia. Go figure .. Marjana is too young, and Hiromi is just way too good (and too busy being the Princess of Electric Fusion)Annie wins, therefore, and not by default. She is the only one I can think of who is a fantastic music-maker, not weird, incontestably "prog", and has done more than enough to earn the title. |
I am a huge AH fan and, if I switched on full-fanboy mode, would say she beats most prog vocalists and not just the female ones. But even by your specious non weird criteria, which appears designed to exclude Krause and Knapp, Heather Findlay and Christina Murphy would also fulfil those criteria, as does Rachel Cohen
Annie may be a better singer but she's not the only one as per those criteria. |
However, Renaissance is still the most famous female fronted prog band. Specially if we consider full prog bands, and even more so, from the golden era of prog (the 70's, of course), so, indeed I consider Annie to be the queen of prog. And indeed, for me she is among the very best prog singers, male or female. Among my top 5 at least, and at this point I wouldn't be able to put them in order. |
Don't forget about Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance. Well, if she is not the queen of Prog the. She is definitely the queen of art rock. ;) |
I'm afraid I barely know her and Dead Can Dance. I mainly know their names, but not much more, and that's were I was going with the more famous thing about Renaissance.
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 21:56 |
Argonaught wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
I am a huge AH fan and, if I switched on full-fanboy mode, would say she beats most prog vocalists and not just the female ones. But even by your specious non weird criteria, which appears designed to exclude Krause and Knapp, Heather Findlay and Christina Murphy would also fulfil those criteria, as does Rachel Cohen
Annie may be a better singer but she's not the only one as per those criteria. |
The "non-weird criteria" was not designed to exclude Krause and Knapp, because I don't know who they be. Unless you mean the lovely and 100% wholesome Alison Krauss
Also, are you sure you are using the word "specious" correctly? I have always thought that specious referred to a idea that looks legit on outside, but is based either on an hidden ulterior motive, or on a fallacy, or both. For example, environmental taxes have a lot more to do with raising revenues than with the environment. |
I meant Dagmar Krause who worked in Henry Cow and Art Bears. And it was actually Knaup, Renate Knaup (got it mixed up with Karine Knapp, a current tennis player), who was the singer of Amon Duul II. You will find that those prog rock listeners who have a liking for its more experimental side are quite familiar with both names.
I used the word specious because I find the notion that only a non weird singer could be the queen of prog fallacious. Now, reading this follow up comment of yours, I feel that perhaps you came up with that criteria to account for your unfamiliarity with weird prog? There are lots of talented female singers in weird prog too. And since this is a kind of music that is progressive in its approach, I don't think there's anything wrong with a singer choosing a less conventionally appealing style, if that's what the music calls for.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 16:38 |
Christina Booth, all the way .......
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 16:53 |
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As good as Annie Haslam is as a singer (and she is, even now she's in her sixties), I would never call her the queen of prog. Kate Bush's music is way more progressive than anything Renaissance ever did, even if it does not fit the traditional prog criteria. Moreover, let's not forget that she is not just a singer, but also a composer and multi-instrumentalist.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 16:55 |
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Would Sonja Kristina deserve some honourable mention here too?
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bhikkhu
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 18:59 |
What no love for Christina Booth from Magenta? Should probably also mention Anna Holmgren from Anglagard.
My vote honestly would be a split between Stella and Annie.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 19:13 |
bhikkhu wrote:
What no love for Christina Booth from Magenta? |
You haven't been paying attention..........
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bhikkhu
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 22:13 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
What no love for Christina Booth from Magenta? |
You haven't been paying attention.......... |
How did I miss that? I went through the entire thread and didn't see yours right there. 
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tuxon
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 22:50 |
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Not that many to choose from. From the few female vocalists that I like, Annie Haslam will always get my vote, I do like some Bush, Booth, Or Krotenschwanz, or Sandy Denny for that matter, But Annie rules them all.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: November 15 2014 at 23:37 |
Christina - alluring, sophisticated, modern, and above all, the most gorgeous voice in Prog (next to Annie's).
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verslibre
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 00:34 |
bhikkhu wrote:
What no love for Christina Booth from Magenta? Should probably also mention Anna Holmgren from Anglagard.
My vote honestly would be a split between Stella and Annie. |
At least they do get mentioned. Nobody cares about Janita Haan (Babe Ruth) anymore. That band wasn't for everybody, but their first three albums cook.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 05:25 |
bhikkhu wrote:
What no love for Christina Booth from Magenta? Should probably also mention Anna Holmgren from Anglagard.
My vote honestly would be a split between Stella and Annie. |
I also thought about Anna Holmgren, but it seems that most people associate "women in prog" with vocalists.
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