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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 09:59
Moshkito, do you have access to their bank accounts ? ;-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 10:12
It can not kill progressive rock, because progressive rock - fortunately - for many artists remain the way of self-expression. It will, however, hopefully, kill the music industry. But it is most welcome to do such.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 10:27
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Moshkito, do you have access to their bank accounts ? ;-)
 
 
Good point Dave and for all we know bands like that have day jobs or other sources of income so they can pay the bills.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 11:13
Hi Dr Wu, this is why so many bands sell out. 

"Now pay the mortgage". It's unfortunate, but you can only be non commercial - and viable - for so long. There are a lot of bedroom musicians and bands, but the days of music venues in your home town being full of decent, inventive musicians that people will take a chance on seeing are gone. 

Perhaps piracy won't kill prog rock, as it will, as Anoraknok says above, continue to be produced, but I keep on being reminded of the sad old 1976 punk rockers walking around with "punx not dead" t-shirts on. Oh, really ? Just a bit ill, is it ? 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 13:38
Originally posted by Anoraknok Anoraknok wrote:

It can not kill progressive rock, because progressive rock - fortunately - for many artists remain the way of self-expression. It will, however, hopefully, kill the music industry. But it is most welcome to do such.
If you cut off the tail of a lizard it will grow a new tail. The old tail does not survive, nor does it grow a new body.

If the music industry dies then all music will suffer because the industries that feed into the music industry will not survive and so all the music that also relies on the technology and support that those non-music industries provide would not survive. Fringe, esoteric and niche music rides on the coat-tails of mainstream music and all the commercial enterprise that rely on it. If it was not for the music industry creating a mass market for music we would not have the concept of The Album; we would not have vinyl and good quality audio equipment to play it on. We would not have the modern studio; we would not have the concept of home studio. We would not have cassette or compact disc because Philips and Sony would not have invested millions of dollars in a technology of zero value. Without compact discs we would not have digital technology and downloadable music and video. Without downloadable content we would not have portable media players and a mobile cellular telephone would have remained a simple a voice communication device. If music does not make money for the music industry and all the industry that supports it then there would be no incentive to create the technology we so love today. Cut off the body and the tail will die.

Perhaps you are okay with this. Sure we can survive with what we have. We don't need technology to progress further, we are happy with what we have. As long as a market exists for the makers of home studio equipment they will survive, development will stop of course because the technical advances in that area are made for the professional studio, and they will no longer trickle down to the domestic market, but that's okay, we don't need the perfection that a modern studio provides - its all bland, homogenised, overproduced and overcompressed anyway. We can do all that on a PC with Fruityloops and  GarageBand any day.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 14:04
There was once a psychedelic band in a country, where any rock music was forbidden. They were making amazing albums on self-made recording systems made out of old reel magnitophones and effect out of microphones attached to the lamps. Art won't die.
Regarding fruty loops and garage bands - well most of the people use these things bluntly, and its good, because at the times when the gear is available, the mastery and creativity starts making the difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 23:35
I've been spending a lot of time recently browsing prog and metal sites for information about new bands (progstreaming.com, progmetalzone.com, etc). Stuff that I haven't found already by browsing this forum, mostly. And heck if there isn't more great music being made now than ever before. Even better, so much of it is available as high-quality FLAC downloads from sites like bandcamp -- easy to buy, easy to download, not too expensive. Far more attractive an alternative than piracy.

Now surely only a small fraction of these bands are making enough from their music to do it full-time, even considering the fact they get a much bigger cut from direct sales. But is this so bad? If they are a happy earning a bit of cash from doing something they love in their free time, then so be it. Why is it automatically assumed that making music MUST eventually become a full-time endeavor for every artist? The fact is, technology has made it cheaper and easier than ever before to record high-quality music and make it available to the masses.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 07:10
Actually, I've decided to start up a "space rock" record label on Bandcamp, invite another 11 bands along, help them sell music. I *am* going to charge a token amount from any profits as an admin fee - £1 per download - so it's just finding the bands and helping them with some PR. This is possibly a new way to go (everyone benefits from cross selling (I'm in sales and marketing, anyway) ) but it's just an example of the way musicians have to work now - you spend little time recording and a lot of time trying to generate sales. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 07:14
Quote - "And heck if there isn't more great music being made now than ever before. Even better, so much of it is available as high-quality FLAC downloads from sites like bandcamp -- easy to buy, easy to download, not too expensive. Far more attractive an alternative than piracy."

Hi, Stereolab, possibly true there. The trouble is that the good stuff is obscured by 99.9% being pure dross. ;-) On top of that, yes, it's theoretically possible to pay for and download high quality music from Bandcamp et al, but my experience of selling music on there is that you are effectively acting as a radio station for people to stream music on.

Quote - "Why is it automatically assumed that making music MUST eventually become a full-time endeavor for every artist?"

Unfortunately, a lot of bands DO think like that and are sadly mistaken. The problem is that it is becoming utterly impossible for non mainstream bands - no matter how good - to make a living of any sorts from music. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 07:17
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If music it is popular it can be monetized and sold. Prog is really not popular.
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I would think there are many groups out there that are not "popular" and they are doing just fine.
 
I can even look at Djam Karet, who are not a group out there pushing for their sales as a major part of their lives and yet, 25 years later, they are fine. Not perfect, but fine.
 
 
I'm interested to know exactly how "fine" they are - do they earn enough to make music their full time career or do they all have other jobs?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 07:38
Well, quite, Chopper. ;-)

It's interesting how many non musicians tell the musicians that they aren't starving. Or perhaps it's OK that they don't make enough money to do it full time, produce albums, go on tour, add to the genre. Seems pretty strange logic to me. Mind you, they do get a lot of free downloads. ;-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 07:42
Will pay £600 for an iPhone, won't pay £5 for an album to play on it. Odd world we live in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 12:44
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Will pay £600 for an iPhone, won't pay £5 for an album to play on it. Odd world we live in.


If the said album is the new U2... Ermm
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