Should the Beach Boys be considered Proto?

 

^I'm glad I stired your intrerrest in Pet Sounds again, Kati, as that was the ultimate aim of this post.

Btw, It was good to see someone expand on The Beatles' influences for a change instead of who The Beatles influenced. Aside fron Chuck Berry, I would like to add the Everly Brothers for influencing The Beatles with their harmonies and Buddy Holly and The Crickets for influencing The Beatles with their music as well as their name. The Crickets vs. The Beatles (beetles). Many hugs to you, too.


Edited by SteveG - September 25 2014 at 10:19

^Yes indeed Steve. Just another post that keeps this thread going. Carl and Denis are very happy right now.

(to be honest, Denis is always happy)


Edited by SteveG - September 25 2014 at 10:34

HolyMoly wrote: Dean wrote: There is no wall, The Beach Boys are not Proto Prog.  "End of the Trail" by James Earle Fraser I'm guessing this was intentional, but for anyone else,"Surf's Up"

Surfs Up is the title track to the above 1971 album by The Beach Boys that was a reworking of one of the ill fated Smile album tracks and, ironically, is as far from a Surf Music song that you can get with just piano and a mournful Brian Wilson vocal with philosphical lyrics about aging, change and finality, so that the lyrics and the cover art have a  true connection. The composition (co-written with Van Dyke Parks) is considered Wilson's best and equal with McCartney's Hey Jude and Lennon's A Day In The Life by many critics. Sorry, but we're not quite at Kokomo yet.

Edited by SteveG - September 25 2014 at 14:02

SteveG wrote: @clemofNazerath: OMG! Well I posted the question so I guess I have to summarize. I posted the question and right off got many member's posts that said "no way" to the question. I appealed on behalf of Pet Sounds technical achievements but was told that was of no account and that PS is a pop album. So, I summarized PS's musical achievements and the various instrumentation used after someone referred to Good Vibrations as Surf Music with a Theremin. Still with me? I listed one of the instruments used as a Theremin instead of Electro-Theremin and Dean took offense as he loves real life Theremins. I'm not sure if this was before or after I accidently referred to Sgt. Pepper's as Revolver and then had to straighten that out. Simple mistakes are killing me! But they were still my mistakes. So... I posted a "Progressive Roots" list from a Swedish music site called Rockprog.com that listed Pet Sounds as one of its "Important Albums" for that category. But to make things easy for me, I listed the first five albums by number (one down to five) but someone objected as it looked a bit croaked so I posted the entire list chronologically (12 albums I think) as the Rockprog.com site had done. (it looked even better!) Then, for fun, I compiled a combined the PA and Rockprog "Proto Prog" list with a couple of suggestions from a PA member, as I thought the thread was on it's last leg. And now we are here. But for some reason the thread keeps going and going. The Beach Boys are haunting this site, I think, until PA lists them as Proto.

^A wise man once said "It's the journey that's important, not the destination."

But damn, my feet are tired!

Edited by SteveG - September 25 2014 at 14:16

^As I've stated before David, the aim of this thread for me was to bring light on the Pet Sounds album and it's defferentiation from Surf Music. Again, I knew going in that the chance of actually getting the BBs listed as Proto was as good as nil. Sometimes there's more important things then assigning music groups a place on a list. And just for the record, I do not consider myself a Proto expert. Just a Proto fan.

Edited by SteveG - September 25 2014 at 18:56

Placing them in a progressive catagory has always been a task because a huge population of people will never do that. Based on the fact that when Pet Sounds was released, they were no longer who they were. It was like the American reaction to Rubber Soul. The parents of teenagers who were crazed over Beatlemania noticed the longer hair style on the cover. Believe it or not, that was a huge offense and a concern. But with the Beach Boys turning their backs on Surf Music for about 6 albums , it became very dismissive within a large percentage of the social environment and the band attempting to progress or blossom in the writing department was not appreciated or hardly conceived. I recall living through those times when practically everyone around me WANTED to think of them as ONLY a surf band. That was an attitude in the 70's , but it probably dated back as far as the Pet Sounds and Smile sessions when Captiol Records were creating issues for Brian Wilson. 

Edited by TODDLER - September 26 2014 at 11:35

Guldbamsen wrote: dr wu23 wrote: 11 pages and Steve's relentless support yet still no admission into the proto prog hall of fame.   So if Steve believes the sandy dudes to be proto prog, and still does, after 11 pages, they should naturally be included in PA? Just for the record: the admin team, who evaluates acts for related and proto, have never seen a formal suggestion made by a special collaborator. If we do, we will of course take it from there. Sure, I have already stated my position on this, but I am not the only admin around. Either way, folks are very much welcome to discuss these matters further. Just don't expect them to be added on account of a thread and maybe three people advocating their supposed proto-prog credentials

Not to further hijack this thread, but speaking of Brit Proto-Prog albums, I always thought Cream was worthy of a place in PA (doesn't mean I want to go through the suggestion and addition process, however).