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Dean 
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 Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:01 |
 Svetonio wrote:
Also, the prog bands will earning more money of playing live than from CDs |
Actually, that is a fallacy...
Svetonio wrote:
because the tickets will be more and more expensive. |
...and so is that.
Svetonio wrote:
The tickets were cheap when I was a liitle kid in a middle of 70s, but also in 80s, I remember that the concert tickets of famous British and American bands were very cheap. |
Sorry but no. Ticket prices have kept track with rising prices in general, however, the cost of buying music has not. CDs are relatively cheaper now than they were in the 80s and vinyl is relatively cheaper now than it was in the 70s.
Also, for small bands the money you can earn from a gig hasn't changed a great deal (basically it is four-fifths of f*ck all), and for lesser known bands it can even cost you money to play at a larger venue (pay to play).
Edited by Dean - September 23 2014 at 10:01
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:53 |
I think I like that last post very much, Dean. 
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Dean
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:50 |
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Well, folks, will piracy and the expectation that music is now free kill off small and specialised music like prog rock ?
Will we just be left with Kylie Minogue and a pile of steaming rubble ?
What do you all think ? ;-) |
Why should Ms Minogue snr. be immune?
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Manuel
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:41 |
Believe it or not, there's a lot of bands/artists, not only prog but on any genre of music, that have figured out a way to give the music for free, and still make some profit in terms of touring, selling t-shirts, hats, etc, and make a decent profit, not to become rich and wealthy, but to make a decent living.
It's quite a different world out there, compared to the last decades of the 20th century, and adjustment is necessary to survive the e-trade and it's complexities.
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:21 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
Well, folks, will piracy and the expectation that music is now free kill off small and specialised music like prog rock ?
Will we just be left with Kylie Minogue and a pile of steaming rubble ?
What do you all think ? ;-) |
Of course not. On contrary, e.g. all these prog vids at YouTube are actually popularized prog. And there will always be people - audiophiles, a band's fans and others - who will buy the official releases, digital and physical versions of the purpose of their collections. Also, the prog bands will earning more money of playing live than from CDs because the tickets will be more and more expensive. The tickets were cheap when I was a liitle kid in a middle of 70s, but also in 80s, I remember that the concert tickets of famous British and American bands were very cheap.
Edited by Svetonio - September 23 2014 at 09:46
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:59 |
I'm sure the musical aspirations of youngins today are about as high and far reaching as the folks of yore's. If anything, I hear more of a 'perfectionist's' wet dream coming into play with a lot of modern stuff: 'Hey matey!!!!! That synth solo isn't supposed to go duuuuiiihooo dwuiiiiiiit but douuuuuiooo diouuuoo!!!!!! WTF are you doing?!?!?! Play it again Sam....and do it right and in tune and yaddayaddayadda.....' I'll concede that this level of perfectionism suits some acts, a guy like Steve Wilson fx, but it is also what leaves my heart completely untouched in 90% of the time. The sterile lab production flirt, as I tend to call it  |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:51 |
Absolutely. ;-) The worrying thing is that prog rock means that you have to spend a long time learning to play. If there's nothing financially at the end of it, a lot of the next generation will say "might as well just churn out crap, then. "
I really hope that doesn't happen.
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:47 |
Well it's quite obvious. Most people downloading prog albums do not buy them afterwards. Even so called "fans" of x band do this, and as a result of this fewer records are sold. I mean, this isn't exactly rocket science  I'm sure (I certainly hope) the bands who have something to say, in an original way, will come out on top. Granted, small teenie tiny acts, that 9 people know of worldwide, who gets their album downloaded, are probably not going to make it financially - unless it sparks a huge public success and people actually start paying money for the music.
Edited by Guldbamsen - September 23 2014 at 08:48
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:36 |
Ahhhh, OK. ;-)
So. How will music piracy - the fact that so many people can download entire musical catalogues with the click of a button - affect Prog rock as a musical genre ? Or will it ?
Are we all happy now ? :-)
PS Probably true, Dark Elf. ;-) And let's face it, we all bought the albums in the 1970's. But how does it affect new bands ? ;-)
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:34 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:30 |
What the Arctic fox said.
Also, it's impossible to kill music unless you're some kind of magic creature (Nickelback?).
Edited by Guldbamsen - September 23 2014 at 08:31
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:25 |
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I'll invoke Betteridge here.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:09 |
Well, folks, will piracy and the expectation that music is now free kill off small and specialised music like prog rock ?
Will we just be left with Kylie Minogue and a pile of steaming rubble ?
What do you all think ? ;-)
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