Should the Beach Boys be considered Proto?

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: SteveG wrote: Interrstingly, website Prog Rock.Com has it's own 'proto' like catogry called "Progressive Roots" and lists their following top 5 from the oldest to the newest as such: 1. Pet Sounds-Beach Boys 2. Good Vibrations-Beach Boys 3. Surrealistic Pillow-Jefferson Airplane 4. Sgt. Pepper's-The Beatles 5. Piper At The Gates of Dawn-Pink Floyd No Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane in the top five?!    It is not a top-5 chart but a chronology or timeline. SteveG was being a very misleading in numbering this list and in calling it a "top 5". And the list compiler, Proc Rock Dot Carm, (a little unknown radio channel) is being very selective. But whatever it takes to make a point is fair game, what he really needs to do is find well known Prog website with some provenance and gravitas that supports the assertion... something like Progears, Proggnosis, the New Gibraltar Encyclopaedia of Prog Rock (GEPR) or ProgressoR (just kidding about with the last one)... except none of them do.  [this top-20 list is just for fun.]

...being very misleading? For what evil purose was I doing that? Do you even think before you type? (Sigh)

My short numbered list was done for the sake of expediency and no other reason.

This list that is not numbered but put out Progrock.com  (http:/ / www.rockprog.com) is in their  "Progressive Roots"  write up is not just for fun and is chrononlogical. It is not numbered but in an effort not to mislead the gullible public I will present it chronoligically without numbering just as they have under "Important Albums" without omissions:

The Beach Boys: Pet Sounds. released may 16, 1968 (with track listing)
Good Vibrations. No release date.

Jefferson Airplane: Surrealistic Pillow. released Feb,1967

The Beatles: Sgt. Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour (sic?) released Jun. 1, 1967

Pink Floyd: Piper At the Gates of Dawn.

Moody Blues: Days Of Future Past. released. Nov. 1967

Frank Zappa: We're Only In it For The Money. released Sep, 1968

The Nice: Ars Longa Vita Brevis. released Cec, 1968

King Crimson: In the Court of the Crimson King. released Oct, 1969

Frank Zappa: Hot Rats. released Oct, 1969

Soft Machine: Third. Rekeased Jun,1970

ELP: Emerson, Lake And Palmer. released 1970

This is the is the completion of the list un-numbered for the conspiracy therorist in the crowd.

Note what a complete and balanced picture it presents to rock music before the term Progressive Rock came into vogue.






Edited by SteveG - September 18 2014 at 11:42

Dean wrote: If early Progressive Rock (1969-7?) had developed solely from those 5 releases it would be an entirely different genre to the one we know today.

Correct. Note the list from Rockprog,com in the post above. That is a more balanced view of "Proto Prog" than I've seen in many sources. The Swedes do know Prog.

SteveG wrote: Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: SteveG wrote: Interrstingly, website Prog Rock.Com has it's own 'proto' like catogry called "Progressive Roots" and lists their following top 5 from the oldest to the newest as such: 1. Pet Sounds-Beach Boys 2. Good Vibrations-Beach Boys 3. Surrealistic Pillow-Jefferson Airplane 4. Sgt. Pepper's-The Beatles 5. Piper At The Gates of Dawn-Pink Floyd No Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane in the top five?!    It is not a top-5 chart but a chronology or timeline. SteveG was being a very misleading in numbering this list and in calling it a "top 5". And the list compiler, Proc Rock Dot Carm, (a little unknown radio channel) is being very selective. But whatever it takes to make a point is fair game, what he really needs to do is find well known Prog website with some provenance and gravitas that supports the assertion... something like Progears, Proggnosis, the New Gibraltar Encyclopaedia of Prog Rock (GEPR) or ProgressoR (just kidding about with the last one)... except none of them do.  [this top-20 list is just for fun.] ...being very misleading? For what evil purose was I doing that? Do you even think before you type? (Sigh) ::snip::

^Go Sweden! 

Eight pages on the Beach Boys. Who would have thought that?

^ I spoke with Sven Youarealwaysspacedoutson at Rockprog.com and he said that "Serbs that don't eat Swedish meatballs are not valid" and then hung up on me.  Well, I tried.








Edited by SteveG - September 19 2014 at 14:47

^ Maybe because whoever compiled that list thinks of ELP's debut as a pop album, which of course it was.  But I tend to agree with you.

It's not a bad list but it does seem rather unedified

Dean wrote: Aye, it's not a bad list by any stretch, it's just a little too selective, short of being definitive and far from being balanced to be be anything other than one man's opinion. I don't see that there is any need to pick-over it further, we can all suggest other bands and albums that we'd expect to see on it and some we'd prefer to see in place of some already listed.

Honestly, even I feel it's a narrow list, but it's a least a chance to see how other prog sites see the development of the early part of the genre. And that does not mean that they are always correct, just different.


Edited by SteveG - September 19 2014 at 08:14

Atavachron wrote: It's not a bad list but it does seem rather unedified

The author of that list showed a considerable dose of ignorance or even stupidity.
ELP's debut - prog roots? lol



Edited by Svetonio - September 19 2014 at 08:23

Just for fun:

The combined PA/Rockprog/Sventonio Proto prog list, in no particular order, 1960's albums:

Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations (single), The Beach Boys

Revolver, The Beatles

Sgt. Pepper's, The Beatles

Magical Mystery Tour, The Beatles

Piper At the Gates of Dawn, Pink Floyd

Feakout!, Frank Zappa

Music In a Dolls House, Family

Are you Experienced?, Jimi Hendrix

Children Of The Future, Steve Miller Band

We're Only In it For the Money, Frank Zappa

The Doors, The Doors

Sailor, Steve Miller Band

Days of Future Past: The Moody Blues

Abbey Road, The Beatles

Surrealistic Pillow, Jefferson Airplane

Ars Longa Vita Brevis, The Nice

Tommy, The Who

Renaissance, Vanilla Fudge

In the Court of The Crimson King, King Crimson

This list has been compiled for entertainment purposes only. (but sensitive persons should keep Smelling Salts handy in cause of fainting)

Edited by SteveG - September 20 2014 at 10:31