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Toaster Mantis 
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I've noticed that the music scenes that view themselves as "cultural movements" usually burn brightly but for very short time, their golden ages usually lasting somewhere between 5 and 10 years. The progressive rock of the early 1970s is one example, the psychedelic music it grew out of in the late 1960s being another. Same business with glam rock and disco in the mid/late 1970s, the original generation of punk and new wave in the late 1970s/early 1980s as well as the New Wave of British Heavy Metal at the same time. In the late 1980s/early 1990s something similar happened with the golden age of hiphop, the Seattle grunge rock scene and the Scandinavian black metal "inner circle".
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 04:40 |
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Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 04:45 |
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Yeah, but many of the 1970s prog rock groups had a very strong element of visual aesthetic presentation to their band concept in the live performance. Genesis' stage theatrics, Hawkwind and Pink Floyd's light shows just to mention the most obvious examples.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 04:55 |
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May be but that was live performance. What changed was MTV came in and they didn't want 15 minute videos of hairy hippies. They wanted sexy girls and boys thanks very much. $$$ £££
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 05:10 |
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Should've been the perfect stage for a sexy Dagmar Krause.... Heh, I would've loved to see her doing a Madonna-like video to the sounds of News From Babel.
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 05:16 |
 akamaisondufromage wrote:
Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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I agree. For example, I remember in Paris in the early eighties that all Burger King restaurants were installed TV sets with the video players that you could only watch MTV vids while eating a hamburger and oddly it was filtered, that you could watch the vids of Punk / New Wave bands only.
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 05:23 |
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I don't think punk bands were played very much on MTV. More like Rod Stewart, Phil Collins, Pat Benatar, Madonna, Dire Straits and Michael Jackson.
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 05:29 |
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Well, new wave bands were and the new wave movement evolved out of punk in terms of subcultural genealogy. In fact, wasn't new wave originally called "positive punk" by the press?
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 05:32 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
(...) In fact, wasn't new wave originally called "positive punk" by the press?
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Exactly.
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 05:58 |
Svetonio wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
(...) In fact, wasn't new wave originally called "positive punk" by the press?
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Exactly.
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What? Are you sure? From what I read, I thought that the term "positive punk" only appeared in the early 80's (ca.1981-1982) to describe the proto-goth bands.
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 06:00 |
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Which would be strange, as I imagine that type of music would be the opposite of "positive"...
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 06:33 |
CPicard wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
(...) In fact, wasn't new wave originally called "positive punk" by the press?
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Exactly.
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What? Are you sure? From what I read, I thought that the term "positive punk" only appeared in the early 80's (ca.1981-1982) to describe the proto-goth bands. |
In the rock press in the early eighties I've often read that stupid term.
Edited by Svetonio - September 07 2014 at 06:36
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 07:05 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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This is actually a very good point.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 07:47 |
Svetonio wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
(...) In fact, wasn't new wave originally called "positive punk" by the press?
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Exactly.
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What? Are you sure? From what I read, I thought that the term "positive punk" only appeared in the early 80's (ca.1981-1982) to describe the proto-goth bands. |
In the rock press in the early eighties I've often read that stupid term.
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'positive punk' = bands like Blood and Roses, Brigandage, Sex Gang Children, Southern Death Cult, UK Decay etc and yes later became Goth
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 07:48 |
PrognosticMind wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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This is actually a very good point. |
why thank you, my good man. 
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 08:18 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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I see no reason, then, why John Weathers shouldn't have been a superstar. Just look at that face 
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 08:51 |
You're most certainly welcome, sir!
Polymorphia wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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I see no reason, then, why John Weathers shouldn't have been a superstar.
Just look at that face
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^ /argument 
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 10:30 |
PrognosticMind wrote:
You're most certainly welcome, sir!
Polymorphia wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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I see no reason, then, why John Weathers shouldn't have been a superstar.
Just look at that face
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Yes. It is rather confusing as to why he didn't give Madonna, Cher, et al a run for their money ? Perhaps a new wardrobe was needed? A mankini? maybe/
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CPicard
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 12:49 |
Polymorphia wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Backt o my previous post that video killed prog. Probly some truth in this, just take a look at yer average prog band -sexy? Visual image became much more important to record buyers in the 80s.
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I see no reason, then, why John Weathers shouldn't have been a superstar.
Just look at that face
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Oh, come on, people: whoever looks at the drummer in a band?! Moreover, if you watch some 80's metal bands videos, I'm quite sure you could find musicians making faces worse than that (Eddie Snider, I'm looking at you...  ) I also remember a comment on YouTube about the way Danny Elfman was, er, 'dancing' in the video for "Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me". Just go and look this video, then tell me the above drummer looks so awkward.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: September 07 2014 at 12:58 |
[/QUOTE] Oh, come on, people: whoever looks at the drummer in a band?!  Moreover, if you watch some 80's metal bands videos, I'm quite sure you could find musicians making faces worse than that (Eddie Snider, I'm looking at you... ) I also remember a comment on YouTube about the way Danny Elfman was, er, 'dancing' in the video for "Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me". Just go and look this video, then tell me the above drummer looks so awkward. [/QUOTE] Well we're saying he could have gone solo.
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