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sleeper 
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 Posted: August 14 2014 at 16:38 |
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Godspeeds F#A#Infinity is rated quite highly, but I absolutely despise that album as the worst thing I've ever heard.
I can't really think of an album that's been rated lowly (I'll say less than a 3.0, 3.8 is a good rating) that has more than a handful of ratings/reviews. In those cases it only takes 1 low rating review from a collab/reviewer to drop the rating like a stone.
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richardh
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:14 |
 sleeper wrote:
Godspeeds F#A#Infinity is rated quite highly, but I absolutely despise that album as the worst thing I've ever heard.
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I have that album and its the only album that I have by that band. I rated it a 5 but then have never explored the rest of their output for some reason.
Do you have anything else by them to compare it to?
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:34 |
Albums I like with low ratings here on PA are GG's The Missing Piece and Giant for a Day. I don't get the hate for them  Others are albums by Rush, Yes, and Genesis like Rush(s/t), Fly by Night, Caress of Steel, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Tormato, Big Generator, The Ladder, Abacab, Genesis(Shapes), Invisible Touch. I love that material but then again I believe I am more open-minded and not as picky when it comes to the music I listen to  . Albums I that I dislike that are rated high are... Well there is this one that many on here adore and sometimes can't come to grips to think that it cannot be criticized(of course it can). I am of course talking about...
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - August 15 2014 at 01:39
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Luna
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:45 |
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I also agree that Court is overrated and maybe a 3 star album for me, but I myself wouldn't say I dislike it at all.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:47 |
^^ It is the only one I can think of. I don't hate it but I definitely don't really like it either 
The first two tracks are good but after that???
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - August 15 2014 at 01:48
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:29 |
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Not on PA, but there's a lot of despise for the 2 Buggles albums, I think they are quite fine, and related regardless.
There really are many crossover acts that deserve more attention.....(I think)........
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 03:03 |
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I have tried but can't get into Opeth. They seem to be the best thing since sliced bread in the prog metal world. I find their formula unsatisfying. |
Same here. I've always found them a band that's brilliant in theory but unsatisfying in execution.
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 09:25 |
We are back to the ratings game again.....maybe we should turn the thread into the 'how are ratings arrived at and why and what really is prog rock after all', since that never gets old.
I honestly can't think of any high rated ones that fit a 'dislike' category though there are many I'm neutral or indifferent about. I'm sure I could find one or two low rated ones I think should be rated higher that I like , but I'm too lazy right now.
I suppose regarding highly rated ones TFTO is one I rarely play though I can't say I dislike it. And there are a couple by GG and VDGG that are rated well that I also find a little annoying at times.
As far as disliking if you insisted I could probably name a few high rated prog metal/tech metal things that fit the bill.
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moshkito
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 10:02 |
Hi,
Honestly, each time I sit down and try to write something on this thread, I don't want to!
There is not enough "dislike" of anything. It is all music, and everyone has a right to do it and love it and appreciate it and I don't think we have the right to say it's wrong, or that our opinions are (supposedly) better than the albums and the musicians' efforts.
I would rather have these efforts, right or wrong, in tune or out of tune, than listen to the folks here bitching about the grass beeing poop'ier on the other side than the one here!!!!!
Edited by moshkito - August 19 2014 at 08:46
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KingCrimson250
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Posted: August 15 2014 at 13:44 |
Animals. Extremely formulaic album. The three songs are structurally almost identical - and harmonically, too (I can't imagine how David Gilmour didn't get bored playing an entire album in E-, although then again, I suppose he did and that contributed to the now-legendary friction). I personally feel that the performances are a little uninspired as well. The band doesn't seem to gel all that well, and there's nothing really interesting happening there - and that talkbox solo on Pigs has got to be one of the most masturbatory things the band's committed to tape since, oh wow, probably the Saucerful days.
An overblown album with virtually no variety. As far as I'm concerned it marks the point where Pink Floyd was killed by internal conflict and Waters' towering ego, and I have no idea why so many people love it.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 05:33 |
Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - August 16 2014 at 05:33
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Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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PrognosticMind
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 05:57 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!
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^I'm with you on this one, sir. In fact - I find most of Dream Theater's music to be boring and overrated...despite being a massive Symphony X fan. I guess I just know what I like. I've seen DT live several times, and they were just loud and unimpressive to me.
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sleeper
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 06:18 |
richardh wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Godspeeds F#A#Infinity is rated quite highly, but I absolutely despise that album as the worst thing I've ever heard.
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I have that album and its the only album that I have by that band. I rated it a 5 but then have never explored the rest of their output for some reason.
Do you have anything else by them to compare it to? |
I have the New Zero Kanada EP, Moya is a decent track, more classical than they normally do and by there standards very fast paced and "busy". I can't remember the name of the other track but it's the same kind of stuff as I found on Infinity and I hated it just as much.
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 13:34 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!
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That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.
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moshkito
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Posted: August 16 2014 at 15:36 |
dr wu23 wrote:
That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.
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I saw them with Queensryche, and at the time, DT was still playing like they had something to prove and they really made QR look like a cheap hit/radio rock band.
The musicianship, in DT, was far and away better than the pretentious rock band that played a few things that supposedly made them a better band (and the "main attraction") than all the others. All in all, even Fates Warning made QR look poor. and their material is far more difficult to do and challenging on a stage!
DT is not perfect, but if Mike was playing a violin, instead of a loud guitar, we would be gushing all over it, and say that it would be one of the best bands ever. I don't think they are the best, but they are very good, and one has to be crazy to not know/understand and appreciate the musicianship involved. FAR and FAR better than so many rock bands, including some listed in the top 100 for PA!
But yeah ... sometimes the "metal" side of it seems too much. But the wird side of it is that I still do not hear "metal" in it. I hear some incredible work going on in the notes, chords and interplay. But, I guess that I forgot that, it is not what the "progressive archives bored" is all about. It doesn't sound like Genesis or ELP and therefore it's merde, or is this just another word for "metal"?
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richardh
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Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:28 |
moshkito wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.
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I saw them with Queensryche, and at the time, DT was still playing like they had something to prove and they really made QR look like a cheap hit/radio rock band.
The musicianship, in DT, was far and away better than the pretentious rock band that played a few things that supposedly made them a better band (and the "main attraction") than all the others. All in all, even Fates Warning made QR look poor. and their material is far more difficult to do and challenging on a stage!
DT is not perfect, but if Mike was playing a violin, instead of a loud guitar, we would be gushing all over it, and say that it would be one of the best bands ever. I don't think they are the best, but they are very good, and one has to be crazy to not know/understand and appreciate the musicianship involved. FAR and FAR better than so many rock bands, including some listed in the top 100 for PA!
But yeah ... sometimes the "metal" side of it seems too much. But the wird side of it is that I still do not hear "metal" in it. I hear some incredible work going on in the notes, chords and interplay. But, I guess that I forgot that, it is not what the "progressive archives bored" is all about. It doesn't sound like Genesis or ELP and therefore it's merde, or is this just another word for "metal"? |
A lot of people like the earlier DT material when they were not just trying to play a million notes a minute and actually wrote some very passable songs. Its a matter of taste. The problem with DT is the material not the quality of playing.
I'm finding with some bands I enjoy them more when they cover other bands music. DT did some great covers of classic prog and rock tracks on the Change Of Seasons album and also Transatlantic have put together a brilliant covers CD on the latest album. Much better than the hackneyed disc one imo.
Edited by richardh - August 17 2014 at 02:29
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:38 |
dr wu23 wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!
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That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.
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I'll flat out say it. I dislike most of their material 
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Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Billy Pilgrim
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Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:49 |
I think that Porcupine Tree's Signify should have a much higher rating, all of Gojiras albums should be rated higher as well, but I understand that people really dislike harsh vocals here so no biggie.
I don't get the love for "The Raven that Refused to Sing", like at all.
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Billy Pilgrim
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Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:49 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!
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That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.
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I'll flat out say it. I dislike most of their material |
Home is a good song, it's not easy bein cheesy.
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PrognosticMind
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Posted: August 17 2014 at 05:22 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!
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That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.
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I'll flat out say it. I dislike most of their material |
I'm glad I'm not the only one  .
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