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http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9467-wax-and-wane-the-tough-realities-behind-vinyls-comeback/

Link fixed...not sure why yours is not working??

Thanks...good article on the status of music sales too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2014 at 17:13
I need to read this one in more detail.....skimmed thru it but never heard of this guy before.
Wonder if he will eventually sell them online!! Man I bet he has some amazing albums in that warehouse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/magazine/the-brazilian-bus-magnate-whos-buying-up-all-the-worlds-vinyl-records.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Meltdowner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2014 at 17:30
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9467-wax-and-wane-the-tough-realities-behind-vinyls-comeback/

Link fixed...not sure why yours is not working??

Thanks...good article on the status of music sales too.

It's strange, the hyperlink preview showed the page correctlyErmm
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I need to read this one in more detail.....skimmed thru it but never heard of this guy before.
Wonder if he will eventually sell them online!! Man I bet he has some amazing albums in that warehouse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/magazine/the-brazilian-bus-magnate-whos-buying-up-all-the-worlds-vinyl-records.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1

I liked the part with the interns organizing his collection, and the database they created. And no matter how many albums he buys, his first album is the most special. Smile
It also made me wonder how many music has been recorded since the beginning of music recording Ermm
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Cool....just ordered my copy. V on "v"inyl.....should be good.

http://www.radiantrecords.com/products/505-spocks-beard-v-on-vinyl.aspx

'V' on Vinyl ??? Count me in.
BTW Jose, who do you order from ?? For me, it's usually Greg W.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Cool....just ordered my copy. V on "v"inyl.....should be good.

http://www.radiantrecords.com/products/505-spocks-beard-v-on-vinyl.aspx

'V' on Vinyl ??? Count me in.
BTW Jose, who do you order from ?? For me, it's usually Greg W.


Usually I do....I ordered this one thru Radiant Records since I got the email from them.
I reserved a copy of Road of Bones with Greg though..
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:


Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I need to read this one in more detail.....skimmed thru it but never heard of this guy before.
Wonder if he will eventually sell them online!! Man I bet he has some amazing albums in that warehouse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/magazine/the-brazilian-bus-magnate-whos-buying-up-all-the-worlds-vinyl-records.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1
I liked the part with the interns organizing his
collection, and the database they created. And no matter how many albums
he buys, his first album is the most special. SmileIt also made me wonder how many music has been recorded since the beginning of music recording Ermm


I think the answer is A LOT!!! In his case I think the first truck load of albums he bought is the most special
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't use Twitter...but Steven Wilson tweeted the follow up to TRTRTS will be out early 2015, comprised of the same musicians. Recording starting this month. </span>
<br style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><span style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">And we all know Steven Wilson is a vinyl enthusiast, so expect another fantastic vinyl edition by him.
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<div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">Hate to sound cynical, but Steven Wilson described himself as a 5.1 enthusiast who works to elevate digital processing into an art form in its own right. He also noted that he doesn't (know how to) work with analog mastering equipment. <div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">So, his vinyl efforts may well be about coercing vinyl enthusiasts into buying a $50.00 record instead of a $9.99 CD, while blissfully ignoring all the D's that precede the lonely A in the SPARS formula. <div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;"><div style="line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">I have had maybe a dozen Wilson records (incl. PT, Storm Corrosion, Blackfield and Bass Communion) on vinyl and they are all gone now (the CD's are not).  


He is one of the best at mastering for digital and yes his 5.1 releases are excellent. He records all in digital, which he should since this is the best method today. But he also does an exceptional job of mastering for vinyl as well as digital releases, or he overseas the downstream mastering since he is always so involved in the whole process.

Me calling him a "vinyl enthusiast" does not mean he does things in the analog world. It means he knows there are legions of fans that appreciate him releasing vinyl versions of almost everything he does. I have read an interview, it was an old one, where he describes the reason for vinyl issues is because the CD took away the feeling of owning something tangible, feels like you own a pc of software on a disc and not music....I will search for that interview and post it.

I also am not saying he prefers one over the other, I have no knowledge of what he personally likes, I have never met him before...

As far as price, nobody coerces me into buying anything, that is silly...if he ONLY released a 5.1 version of his music and charged $100 for the CD/DVD box set and nothing else, people would buy it...its great music. But he does not do that, he offers many choices.

We like vinyl on this thread!!!    

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S.W's 5.1 mixes are some of the best. I'd probably be one of 'those' who would spend $100 on a quality mix in this format, especially in a lossy codec like AC3 Dolby surround. Beautiful stuff.
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Cool....just ordered my copy. V on "v"inyl.....should be good.

http://www.radiantrecords.com/products/505-spocks-beard-v-on-vinyl.aspx

'V' on Vinyl ??? Count me in.
BTW Jose, who do you order from ?? For me, it's usually Greg W.


Usually I do....I ordered this one thru Radiant Records since I got the email from them.
I reserved a copy of Road of Bones with Greg though..


My second favourite album from the BEARD. :)
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

An interesting article about vinyl's sales and manufacturing:http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9467-wax-and-wane-the-tough-realities-behind-vinyls-comeback/


Speaking of this. I'm not a fan of his music, but I heard that the latest 'JACK WHITE' vinyl pressing is the highest selling vinyl in 20 years! Is this true? ;)
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Found the interview...here is the bit I was talking about.

Porcupine Tree records now sell in huge numbers, but it has taken two decades of hard work to win what Steven calls a slow war of attrition. What's impressive is that, despite being largely overlooked by the mainstream music press, the band are actually selling more records than ever before, even at a time when downloads are killing record sales. It seems that Steven's success is all about providing a superior experience through his music, product packaging and live shows. "The people who listen to my music know that I'm not going to release something just to be commercial or get on the radio. I release records that I believe in, and if you do that, people trust your motives are genuine, so even if they don't always like the music, they're still prepared to listen. Now that progressive rock is no longer a dirty word, we are starting to get more media coverage, but for years it was just people telling their friends. It was never planned or contrived.

"A lot of people are taking music as free downloads, but our following has gone up so much that it creates the illusion that we're not suffering. We're in an age where there isn't this perception that you should have to pay for recorded music, but it's a shame for several reasons. The main thing is that there is no commitment to quality of experience any more, and by that I mean that people are listening to MP3s without artwork. This is the history of the human race — convenience always wins over quality of experience.”

Fighting back, one of Steven's strategies has been to release a large number of limited‑edition products with special packaging, all of which are snapped up by fans. These include DVDs with visuals produced by his filmmaker friend Lasse Hoile, elaborately packaged, limited‑edition books and coloured heavy vinyl editions, as well as Digipak, Digibook and mini‑LP CD releases, all given a consistent visual style by designer Carl Glover. The perfect example of this approach is Steven's ambitious solo album project, Insurgentes, initially released in 2009 as a limited deluxe edition of 4000 10‑inch hardback books containing 120 pages of images and a choice of either four audio CD/DVDs, or four 10‑inch vinyl discs. The expensive packaging paid off, with all copies selling out in advance.

"If you give people something to treasure, they are more inclined to invest their money,” reasons Steven. "The thing about vinyl is that it has an aesthetic quality, like a piece of art, and that's what CD did away with. But vinyl is something really beautiful you can hold and cherish. It makes you feel like you own a piece of art, and good music is art so it should be presented as such. Having generic CDs in crystal cases with four‑page booklets stuffed inside is more like owning a piece of software, so we are seeing the death of generic cases and a return to music presented with beautifully elaborate, aesthetically pleasing artwork, with gatefold sleeves, cutouts and inserts. One of the first albums I bought was ELO's Out Of The Blue, which came with a spaceship you had to assemble. It was cheesy but fun. Record companies have been forced to look at those things to keep people buying physical products.”

Steven is unusual in that he takes responsibility for all the decisions regarding the packaging of his work, insisting that the label's input on such matters is zero. "Record companies are more open to ideas than they used to be, but the special packaging and books come from me, Lasse and Carl. Record companies think I'm crazy when I say 'Can I have this kind of paper?', because they've never had an artist do that, but they are realising that it is not just my silly little self‑indulgence: these are things that fans really care about, and that kind of attention to detail makes it easier to sell physical products.”


Quality artful presentation is somewhat lacking in the cd universe, so when Wilson release a cd/DVD package he gives you more visuals, not quite to what vinyl can do but at least he gives you something more to look at.
May I say again. The Jethro Tull boxset is just amazing and the liner notes are incredible. 80 page booklet.
It is as he said. It's like you own a piece of art on a tangible level.
Amazing stuff. He is a godsend.
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

An interesting article about vinyl's sales and manufacturing:http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9467-wax-and-wane-the-tough-realities-behind-vinyls-comeback/


Speaking of this. I'm not a fan of his music, but I heard that the latest 'JACK WHITE' vinyl pressing is the highest selling vinyl in 20 years! Is this true? ;)


I believe the highest selling new release, he sold something like 40,000 vinyl LP in the first week. Not a fan of his music either but I bought one for the gimmick reasons. Side 2 is actually pretty good music..
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

An interesting article about vinyl's sales and manufacturing:http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9467-wax-and-wane-the-tough-realities-behind-vinyls-comeback/


Speaking of this. I'm not a fan of his music, but I heard that the latest 'JACK WHITE' vinyl pressing is the highest selling vinyl in 20 years! Is this true? ;)

It's on the article: 23 years.
I'm not a fan too, but the other I turned on the radio and it was playing his last single and I though it was quite good: the violin solo at the end reminded me of Mahavishnu Orchestra Smile
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

An interesting article about vinyl's sales and manufacturing:http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9467-wax-and-wane-the-tough-realities-behind-vinyls-comeback/


Speaking of this. I'm not a fan of his music, but I heard that the latest 'JACK WHITE' vinyl pressing is the highest selling vinyl in 20 years! Is this true? ;)
It's on the article: 23 years.I'm not a fan too, but the other I turned on the radio and it was playing his last single and I though it was quite good: the violin solo at the end reminded me of Mahavishnu Orchestra Smile


I need to spin it again, don't recall the violin part....
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Hit a record store yesterday, only had about 30 minutes but found a few goodies!!

Been looking for this one for awhile, tough find at stores, I got lucky!! Man the pleasure of flipping thru the bin and finding this one was like Christmas as a 5yr old



Love the BIG inside gatefold picture of the band, you can just sense the structured noodling these guys were doing in the studio!



These next two were just icing on the cake. Never had these on vinyl LP and I know they have been reissued, but I wanted to hear how good the quality is on these original issues.




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^ Nice finds there, Sir
SM's 'Third' is pure magic. Just love those mellow sections where Ratledge does his thing.
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^ I agree....it is a good find for sure. The sound quality is pretty good considering its 1970.
Its in VG+ condition
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^ So is mine. I find that it has a 'fuzzy' sound, often I (think) I hear Wyatt's snare rattling through in quiet sections, and Hopper's fuzzed-bass is overly distorted.
There's a section in Out-Bloody-Rageous where Ratledge has the Wha-Wha going on his organ - it's dreamy and just out of this world. And the freak-out intro to Facelift is over-the-top. Probably my absolute fave SM album, followed ever so closely by Fifth.
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^ The joys of recording in 1970....I love that part of analog recordings, the noises that get picked up in the studio.

Just adds to the pleasure of these LP's

Out-Bloody-Rageous is my fav pc by the Softs...
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