![]() |
|
Post Reply ![]() |
Page <1234 5> |
Author | ||||
LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
![]() |
|||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M what a shame, they were even too lazy to change the titles. Lack of creativity but that's probably because of drugs. Find me another band who did the same. |
||||
"Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
|
||||
![]() |
||||
chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20030 |
![]() |
|||
I think a lot of the Led Zep song credits now include the original author.
|
||||
![]() |
||||
SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
![]() |
|||
Edited by SteveG - July 31 2014 at 15:37 |
||||
![]() |
||||
LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
![]() |
|||
Jimmy Page was unknown musician back then, he became famous after he stole other artists music. And if it wasn't enough http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314256004/led-zeppelin-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven-guitar-line Jimmy Page is a talentless f**k. |
||||
"Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
|
||||
![]() |
||||
dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20631 |
![]() |
|||
![]() |
||||
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin |
||||
![]() |
||||
dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20631 |
![]() |
|||
![]() If Page is a 'talentless f**k ' then so is Clapton, Beck, Hendrix, and all the other older blues rock players ,etc since they have all stole riffs ,chords , and songs from old black blues artists....and then we can go on to Perry, Slash, Jack White and every other modern blues rock guitarist who have stolen from Page, Clapton, Hendrix , etc. I will agree that in several cases Zep did not give credit where it was due., but that was a common problem in the rock community back in the day and has nothing to do with guitar playing ability or anything else. Edited by dr wu23 - July 31 2014 at 17:44 |
||||
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin |
||||
![]() |
||||
SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
![]() |
|||
Edited by SteveG - July 31 2014 at 17:50 |
||||
![]() |
||||
Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65298 |
![]() |
|||
Jimmy Page was an enormous talent who also purloined a huge quantity of material that he then altered enough to sound original. And not just the old blues cats, I can hear everyone from Tim Harden to Stevie Wonder in Page's, Plant's and Jones' contributions. But I'm afraid Dr Wu's comments only scratch the surface; recorded music is often a collage of previous musics come together in an individual way. The Beatles did this masterfully, pretty much imitating early American songcraft as a medium by which to exercise their own writing, it's just that they hid their thievery better than most.
This was one of the reasons progressive rock progressed, it was, especially earlier, an extension of other peoples' music not an alternative to it, a product that came from within the rock community rather than an outside intrusion. And the apple didn't fall that far from the tree. Edited by Atavachron - July 31 2014 at 21:40 |
||||
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
|
||||
![]() |
||||
LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
![]() |
|||
They at least didn't steal whole songs just single riffs and chords. Find me another band who took whole songs (with the lyrics) and claimed it was their stuff. That brazen attitude and inability to write their own original material make Led Zeppelin the most overrated band of all time. |
||||
"Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
|
||||
![]() |
||||
Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65298 |
![]() |
|||
^ It's that brazen attitude that made them so powerful, few others had the audacity to go out and play others' music so brilliantly.
|
||||
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
|
||||
![]() |
||||
LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
![]() |
|||
^I must admit they were powerful cos they fooled so many people but that makes them overrated too.
|
||||
"Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
|
||||
![]() |
||||
chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20030 |
![]() |
|||
|
||||
![]() |
||||
SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
![]() |
|||
Correct Chop. On every album from Zep 2 through to Coda. Some people get tunnel vision and miss the bigger picture.
Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 09:41 |
||||
![]() |
||||
chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20030 |
![]() |
|||
|
||||
![]() |
||||
SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
![]() |
|||
Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 09:42 |
||||
![]() |
||||
chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20030 |
![]() |
|||
Fair point, although LZ II has a few disputed old blues songs as well (Whole Lotta Love was "borrowed" from Willie Dixon, also The Lemon Song is Killing Floor I believe by the same artist.
I guess by the time they got to LZ IV they'd realised the error of their ways as "When the levee breaks" has always had a joint credit as far as I know..
|
||||
![]() |
||||
SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
![]() |
|||
^Agree about the lyrics of Whole Lotta Love but the killer riff was from Page and that's what's important to me.The lemon song was another dug up blues but as Dr Wu said, that was common with sixties blues rock bands at the time and Zeppelin was quickly moving away from the blues so they needed their own material from then on.
Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 10:41 |
||||
![]() |
||||
Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17869 |
![]() |
|||
I was thinking the same thing about the Beatles and this Zeppelin topic of "stealing" music. All this music comes from very early blues, soul and R&B...throw in the new found distorted guitar, rougher vocals and in your face rhythm section now you have Cream, Yardbirds, The Who and Zeppelin.. Spot on Atavachron |
||||
![]() ![]() ![]() |
||||
![]() |
||||
SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
![]() |
|||
^The deal with early American blues music, like early American folk music was that performers lifted riffs and melodies or lyrics from each other and changed them to suit their particular songs and needs. This was a known fact and that's why no one threw a fit when a blues tune got clipped. After all, people thought, who really created the original to begin with? When blues rock became big business obviously this attitude changed but Zeppelin was operating in between those two opinions at the time the band took off. That's why no one jumped all over Zep at the time. Now in our retro world, people look back and say 'Oh, how terrible they were.' But it's all been taken out of context now. Again, Zep still originally produced the majority of their music. The last time I was in a southern Delta blues club (quite awhile ago, btw), I don't recall the lone artist playing anything that resembled Kashmir.
Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 15:48 |
||||
![]() |
||||
Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65298 |
![]() |
|||
The killer riff was indeed Page's but it is clearly a standard blues riff that is repeatedly used by old and new bluesmen alike; root ~ minor three ~ four, with that chunky mute, a bit of swing in the right hand, and amp tone that would go on to define metal for the next twenty years . But nothing special in the notes or pattern, it was what Page did with it that mattered, |
||||
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
|
||||
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page <1234 5> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |