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Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

 I'll just pretend you didn't write that.


seriously, jazz a complex form music? I don't know where this opinion comes from but it's not a scientific source for sure.


[QUOTE=Dayvenkirq] Again, that's just an opinion. I hear plenty of articulation.


sorry but I don't care what you hear, some say that Kurt Cobain was an excellent guitar player. It's not the criteria, I told you what the criteria is.


Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

How do you know? You are not me. This is just a matter of perception, and you have to recognize that. I've explained why "Fracture" sounds complex to me. That's mostly a guitar-oriented piece, but by and large it's a group effort.


we were talking about the guitar work and the guitar work in Fracture isn't complex, as far as I recognize being a guitarist for over 20 years.
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No-one said Jazz is complex. Although, a fair amount of it is. The fact that you think Jazz is overrated is hilarious though. 
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Which is not an argument against Robert, so I don't know why you brought that up.


it was just a comparsion

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Super-fast and unmemorable lines? No, Bob is not just some guy playing a classical piece (written by another guy) really fast on his guitar, and the fact that I've seen too many speed-obsessed metalheads do a rendition of a classical piece ... that's just not Fripp's style. I'm sure Robert could nail that rendition of Caprice if he chose to ... but I don't remember him ever choosing to. He is not as much of a speed-obsessed musician.


"unmemorable" that's a personal opinion nothing more nothing less. To me most of KC stuff is unmemorable and we can argue about that for another 5 hours. Does it change anything? Study it first then judge it for chrissakes.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

 I'll just pretend you didn't write that.


seriously, jazz a complex form music? I don't know where this opinion comes from but it's not a scientific source for sure.


[QUOTE=Dayvenkirq] Again, that's just an opinion. I hear plenty of articulation.
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sorry but I don't care what you hear, some say that Kurt Cobain was an excellent guitar player. It's not the criteria, I told you what the criteria is.


Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

How do you know? You are not me. This is just a matter of perception, and you have to recognize that. I've explained why "Fracture" sounds complex to me. That's mostly a guitar-oriented piece, but by and large it's a group effort.


we were talking about the guitar work and the guitar work in Fracture isn't complex, as far as I recognize being a guitarist for over 20 years.


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:





Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:


Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

He is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.

Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box.
Eh ... the man incorporated crosspicking into his style; learned from jazz and classical music; invented the New Standard tuning; jumped from psych-jazz-rock on through blues and funk on Earthbound, through dark folk on "Cirkus", through flamenco on "Exiles", through Sabbathy riffs on LTIA and Red, through New Wave-y prog, and that's still not enough? How many more hoops would you like him to jump through?



Know he is an innovator--a genius or whatever---and you seem to know more about what he's playing then me---but if the music doesn't move you what's the point of technique and innovation? ---It's just that lot's of his music is too neurotic and dark and not accessible, (like his personality --lol--I've met him)---for my ears---but glad you enjoy him. Many consider him a god---and I have lot's of his stuff---enjoy the mid-period stuff with Belew the most, but know I may be in the KC fan club minority on thatSmile.
That's why I said in my post that he is technically brilliant but if people don't like his music they will not see it.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

He is a bit overrated. He's very creative but his ideas go beyond his guitar abilities, so that's the problem.

Agree--plus his limited style keep him in a box.
Eh ... the man incorporated crosspicking into his style; learned from jazz and classical music; invented the New Standard tuning; jumped from psych-jazz-rock on through blues and funk on Earthbound, through dark folk on "Cirkus", through flamenco on "Exiles", through Sabbathy riffs on LTIA and Red, through New Wave-y prog, and that's still not enough? How many more hoops would you like him to jump through?

Know he is an innovator--a genius or whatever---and you seem to know more about what he's playing then me---but if the music doesn't move you what's the point of technique and innovation? ---It's just that lot's of his music is too neurotic and dark and not accessible, (like his personality --lol--I've met him)---for my ears---but glad you enjoy him. Many consider him a god---and I have lot's of his stuff---enjoy the mid-period stuff with Belew the most, but know I may be in the KC fan club minority on thatSmile.
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:


Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Fripperated!!!

Shoosh! Frip will trademark that and sue you.
I think I just heard a large bunch of legal documents being pushed through the door! Confused
Was it done by a short man wearing a business suit and caring a guitar?


Could have been although it may have been  a woman? 


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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:


Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Fripperated!!!

Shoosh! Frip will trademark that and sue you.
I think I just heard a large bunch of legal documents being pushed through the door! Confused
Was it done by a short man wearing a business suit and carrying a guitar?

Edited by SteveG - July 26 2014 at 08:35
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Fripperated!!!

Shoosh! Frip will trademark that and sue you.


I think I just heard a large bunch of legal documents being pushed through the door! Confused
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Fripp may not be God. But he is Buddha at least.
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Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

 
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Where?
for example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aUSOmjbNuQ 
That?! A video that does not quite match the audio, featuring a piece with a really easy part to play on a guitar? I don't see sloppiness in that video, to be honest.

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

3) 100% objective? Can you back that up?
I love PW because of the songs, that's my personal opinion, guitar work on that album is excellent and very precise and that's a fact.
Which is not an argument against Robert, so I don't know why you brought that up.

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Robert offered plenty of that too. Just listen to LTIA, pt. 1.
but he doesn't offer this 
Super-fast and unmemorable lines? No, Bob is not just some guy playing a classical piece (written by another guy) really fast on his guitar, and the fact that I've seen too many speed-obsessed metalheads do a rendition of a classical piece ... that's just not Fripp's style. I'm sure Robert could nail that rendition of Caprice if he chose to ... but I don't remember him ever choosing to. He is not as much of a speed-obsessed musician.


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Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Jazz is overrated as Fripp is.
I'll just pretend you didn't write that.
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Fripp wasn't good in that area [of articulation], his ideas were sometimes outrageous, but without all those instruments used on KC albums everything would be as naked as beatles let it be naked.
Again, that's just an opinion. I hear plenty of articulation.
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

So if it sounds complicated to you it's not because of Fripp's guitar work.
How do you know? You are not me. This is just a matter of perception, and you have to recognize that. I've explained why "Fracture" sounds complex to me. That's mostly a guitar-oriented piece, but by and large it's a group effort.


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Originally posted by addictedtoprog addictedtoprog wrote:

-Whether Mr. Fripp is overrated...
No...certainly not...
-Whether this thread is overrated...
Certainly it is...from the number of replies to this thread..
Smart boy, you got the joke!
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-Whether Mr. Fripp is overrated...
No...certainly not...
-Whether this thread is overrated...
Certainly it is...from the number of replies to this thread..
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Fripperated!!!

Shoosh! Frip will trademark that and sue you.
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Fripperated!!!
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Robert  Fripp Roberrated Geek ?
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This question is overrated.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

So was Fripp. And he studied jazz. And he wanted to play really good too, and it shows in his work.


Jazz is overrated as Fripp is. Besides we're talking about articulation, that's something you gotta learn no matter what you play. Fripp wasn't good in that area, his ideas were sometimes outrageous, but without all those instruments used on KC albums everything would be as naked as beatles let it be naked. So if it sounds complicated to you it's not because of Fripp's guitar work.

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:


(I don't know what you mean by "too sober".)


a little joke

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Where?


for example here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aUSOmjbNuQ



Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

3) 100% objective? Can you back that up?


I love PW because of the songs, that's my personal opinion, guitar work on that album is excellent and very precise and that's a fact.

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Robert offered plenty of that too. Just listen to LTIA, pt. 1.


but he doesn't offer this
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Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Again, you want him to jump through hoops. Fripp was an explorer of genres. Have Malmsteen or Friedman ever committed to that?
They were too sober for that, besides they wanted to play really good, they were classically trained.
So was Fripp. And he studied jazz. And he wanted to play really good too, and it shows in his work. (I don't know what you mean by "too sober".)
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:


Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

 Debatable. His articulation is some of the best I've ever heard on a guitar, but hey, you live in your home, I live in mine.
so why his clumsy fingers slip off the strings?
Where?

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Please, listen to "Fracture" ... again.

1) What's so complicated (guitar wise) about it? 2) Rush Power Windows with limited guitar work is ten times more worthy of admiration if we talk about guitar parts (and in general actually) than any Crimson ( (3) I admit I love PW but I'm also 100% objective here). Come on man.
1) Chord structures, execution (not just of arpeggios), whole-tone melodies, composition format, etc.

2) Well, that belongs to you. Your opinion.

3) 100% objective? Can you back that up?

Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

What an arrogant statement. What does he have to learn from them? Speed? Besides, Fripp is a jazz-rock player. He knew no limits.
everything, from arpeggios to crazy twisted licks played with an extreme precision.
Robert offered plenty of that too. Just listen to LTIA, pt. 1.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 25 2014 at 13:19
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This Malsteem chappy never heard him before - awful. Dead
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